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and good morning from philadelphia frank

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here with another episode of ufo news

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network sunday

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uh coming to you on a friday morning

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and uh let me bring on my co-host as

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always

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chant hannah chant how are you i'm doing

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great thank you very much

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um we have a very special guest on our

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show he's known worldwide

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alejandro who is the director of open

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for operations for open minds production

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the host for open minds ufo radio editor

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and contributing writer for openmobs.tv

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and m.c for the international ufo

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congress he has also

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written for the huffington post and

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contributes to den of geek

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for several years alejandro was the

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official spokesperson for

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the mutual ufo network as the director

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of public education

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as a ufo paranormal researcher and

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journalist

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alejandro has spent many hours in the

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field investigating anomalous phenomena

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up close and personal alejandro has been

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interviewed by media

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media organizations around the world

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including the largest cable network news

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agencies with regular appearances on

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coast to coast am

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he has been featured on the travel

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channel sci-fi national geographic and e

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he's uh he also has rojas report

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reporting on the latest trending news

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both in and out of the ufo community on

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various topics

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welcome to the show alejandro thank you

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happy to be here thank you so much for

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being on our show

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i wanted to start off with something

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really fascinating and that is an

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actually uh authored recently it is

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titled the us intelligence community

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insiders got the senate's attention

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regarding ufos which you

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year and i just wanted to read a little

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it says how the u.s intelligence

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community insiders got the senate's

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attention regarding ufos

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when they couldn't get credible data

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regarding ufos in front of the secretary

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of defense

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two intelligence insiders hatched a plan

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to get the world to pay attention

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and succeeded i did read this article in

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its entirety

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and i do have some questions for you on

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it but before we ask uh some questions

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of you did you want to give us

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a review of your article and perhaps

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appreciated i mean it's a game changer

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in so many ways it really essentially

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opened a major door we've never had open

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you know it's been taboo you haven't

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you have it's been difficult to approach

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but that's all changed um so much so

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that they're taking it upon themselves

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it was a whole plan that uh luis

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came in tried to help louise ellison to

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uh they were both unsuccessful to melons

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you know helping in an effort we already

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this if you read my story

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information about the topic

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and right now you know right this very

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moment is a really significant time

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for this topic in that the senate

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information on this topic and what to do

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a lot of this is getting lost on those

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people who are really interested in this

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that right right withheld so i'm getting

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to that there's certainly

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in order to make this happen and so they

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skating on some some shaky ground there

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pointed out some have been very critical

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much criticism but to your point the

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release these videos it wasn't

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their intention they claimed that if

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they knew

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what would happen with those videos they

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wouldn't have um

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you know cleared them for release so

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uh they didn't want those nor

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do they want anything released does it

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seem like

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all of their comments towards the uap

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task force towards their efforts

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uh current and future and findings they

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say are classified

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i'm not planning on sharing so what

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they've told chris

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is you know why are they classified

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because they pose a great

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threat why do they pose a great threat

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well this is what we're really

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kind of butting our heads against

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because in a way they have it's a

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justified answer

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in that what are they looking at what

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are unidentified

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objects they could be uh they could be

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chinese

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they could be russian they could be from

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elsewhere they don't

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know where and until they know

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it's it's incumbent upon them not to

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share

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the details of their investigation

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because for many reasons

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counterintelligence reasons

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they could be tipping their hat that

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they know about technology

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that is out there they don't want to do

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that typically you don't let your enemy

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know

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it's a very delicate situation and

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what they can release and i don't think

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they even want to go there if they're

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like

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you know why release anything because

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the potential for damage to national

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security is there

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so we don't want to release anything and

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that is the big danger going forward is

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that

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if we want as the public

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for information to come out from this

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uap task force

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of some sort at least some sort of

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briefing to tell us something

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then right now is the time to start

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asking about it because

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when their report comes out to the

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senate intelligence committee it's

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likely gonna say

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we've got this under control this stuff

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is classified for justifiable reasons

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it needs to stay there just let us

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handle it and

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marco rubio mark warner the other guys

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in the intelligence committee

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kamala harris if she's still in it or

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not may say okay

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you guys got it you got it and that's it

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all great points

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and i'm i thank you for that one extra

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point i wanted to make

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super briefly about what you said as far

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as the grocery list of reasons why the

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u.s government

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may or may not want to acknowledge

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anything under a pressure of a

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threat to national securities they also

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may not want to acknowledge that they

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don't know

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but moving along i wanted to mention

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something to our audience

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and also ask you a two-part question

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christopher mellen a former deputy

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assistant secretary

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of defense for intelligence and the

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clinton and georgia

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w bush administrations and later for

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security and information

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operations who formerly served as a

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staff director of the united states

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senate select committee and

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on intelligence claimed and i quote

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i received the videos the now famous

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videos in the pentagon parking lot from

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a defense

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department official i still have the

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packaging this is a case where somebody

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bent

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the rules a little bit and they did so

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for the larger good

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and we're absolutely all better off

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because of it melon continued

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two-part question for you alejandro

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do you think more folks from the

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intelligence community will be so bold

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as to bend the rules as mellon put it

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regarding the uap topic and

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how ethical or not ethical is it for

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someone of his stature

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to feel he had the right to bend the

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rules or whomever it was

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that meant the rules without fear of

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it sounds like it could have been

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planned i don't mean to ask a leading

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question if i

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am i apologize for that but you know

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look

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we both know that when folks uh

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in or outside of the uh us government

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actually publish or post something

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online

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that is of top secret uh level or po

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possibly poses a national uh grave

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national security

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risk to our nation they can get

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prosecuted for that

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so there must have been some kind of

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permission given uh and if that's

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necessarily okay and i am glad you said

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that and thank you

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because it's a circular discussion isn't

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it

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if somebody doesn't realize that if

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somebody doesn't realize

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that not necessarily like you said which

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is true

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um then they're gonna end up in a loop

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in their head going

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well if they're not allowed to publish

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this kind of stuff under threat of

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possible prosecution for espionage or

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whatever

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unknown kinds of charges there could be

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a whole barrage of them

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um then why would they have been allowed

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to bend the rules so what what is your

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response to that

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um you know it's one of those things i

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think they weren't allowed to bend the

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route they took

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rules like they took it upon themselves

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to bend the rules

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um and you know there's there's a few

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different ways that

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this was done essentially elizondo going

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rogue

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quitting i mean when you are told no

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and he's a military guy you cannot go up

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the ladder with this

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done you know it's typically a sir yes

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sir

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they felt compelled they felt it

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important enough to bend those rules

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and the end run that elizondo did by

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quitting and going public

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it's he says he's not a wessel blurry

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because he's not

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revealing anything classified but he

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kind of is a whistleblower he's

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revealing information that the defense

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department didn't want

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out there as far as the videos go

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an important aspect to those videos is

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that air force report

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where the air force did look into

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whether those videos

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were released illegally so they already

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examined

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that who released them when why is there

467
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a problem here

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and they had determined that there

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wasn't a problem

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although it was strange because they on

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the one hand said

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they weren't cleared for

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declassification

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before the dob circuit department told

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lou

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go ahead and use those videos so that

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was one problem that was

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susan go from the dod even admitted that

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was the dobsor's mistake they should

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have waited for that clearance

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but on the other hand the air force is

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saying they weren't classified anyway

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and um i've gotten via foia and so have

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others

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the email string between the navy

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and dobson when when elizondo was

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getting asking for the release of those

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videos and and they said

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you know essentially wipe the metadata

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off of them which gives you know

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details about the the nature of the

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technology being used to record those

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videos

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delete that metadata and go ahead and

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use them

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they were fine with it so they were

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unclassified they weren't classified

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so it's not as big of a deal that this

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information

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was released but it wasn't completely

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cleared

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you know for public release and uh

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which is why this little bit of cloak

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and dagger um

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we do know that uh from elizondo

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and others we do know they've got some

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confederates they have some friends and

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colleagues

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in the inside at least that were

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supporting them when they left

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uh it seems like one of those situations

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where

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you know everybody's asking for a

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volunteer and and everybody steps

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backwards and one

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person's left they're standing

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unfortunately they really didn't come to

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have elizondo's back as much as he felt

519
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they should have and that's from my

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private conversations with him really

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uh that a lot of them got shy when he

522
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came out and he you know received this

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avalanche of media attention

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but somebody one of those people was at

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least willing to

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stick their neck out enough to give

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melon those videos

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we don't know who so uh those same

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people though elizondo has said some of

530
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this information

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that around what we investigated is not

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classified

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but it's not mine to give he says

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essentially he's saying that

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i'm aware of other information out there

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but those are in departments or areas

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where my friends and colleagues would

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not want that released and i respect

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their opinion

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and so all i can do eliza and mello

541
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:11,280
have both kind of talked about all we

542
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,200
can do is try to compel those people

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to release that information which may or

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may not happen in the future

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but um there's more apparently

546
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unclassified information is where

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00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,720
well is classified and um you know what

548
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,320
the hard part is with

549
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these technologies for instance we don't

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even know the

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00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,640
the nature of the cameras that we use to

552
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video we don't know exactly which camera

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the making the model because that sort

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of stuff is classified

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because we don't want the enemy to know

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you know sure the extent of our

557
00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:44,320
technology so those are the issues that

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come into play

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00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,039
yeah let me jump in here real quick uh

560
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with a question uh you had mentioned

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senators warner and

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rubio and somewhere along the line they

563
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had to

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be won over uh to pursue this

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through the senate select committee on

566
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intelligence

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and do you know much about that process

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and

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were basically turned

570
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:11,200
yeah a little bit um i do know and and

571
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that's something that

572
00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:14,320
melon shared with me that i also have in

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this article and i think a big point

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that he wanted to get across was

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um you know he has no ability to

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dictate what the senate intelligence

577
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:25,919
committee does

578
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,200
his goal and by the navy admitting they

579
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:32,080
investigate uaps and take them seriously

580
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:33,280
it opened the door

581
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,919
for him to share information for him to

582
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:36,880
start

583
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,000
going to staffers briefing them

584
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,480
and brief them all in the information so

585
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,440
like he says

586
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,000
he was able to give them information it

587
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,480
was up to them to decide whether that

588
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:49,360
information

589
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:52,159
was compelling enough to prompt some

590
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:52,640
sort of

591
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:55,760
action fortunately i think for us for

592
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,320
people who

593
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,480
do believe that you know this is a

594
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,400
significant issue

595
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,400
they they felt so as well they saw the

596
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,919
material and they said hey

597
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,240
this is important you know we feel like

598
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,960
we should

599
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,720
have been briefed on this and we want

600
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,559
more information on this

601
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,880
they felt like melon was kind of saying

602
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:14,159
is he felt this was an

603
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:17,039
intelligence failure um by not paying

604
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,640
attention to these items and and they

605
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,080
felt similarly so

606
00:21:23,669 --> 00:21:22,880
the briefings they received did compel

607
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,679
them enough

608
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:26,320
to take it upon themselves to ask for

609
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:27,120
this uap

610
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:30,559
report um to um also

611
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,760
you know ask for a coordination of uap

612
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:36,159
research and and compilation of

613
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,200
information

614
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:39,919
um so which is pretty significant i

615
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,799
think

616
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:43,280
uh yeah i know i i'll go ahead and

617
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:44,000
finish up but

618
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:46,320
i do have a follow-up i was going to say

619
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:47,600
i don't know the extent of the

620
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,320
information

621
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,400
they were given of course they're clear

622
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,440
to see classified information

623
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,760
we know so we don't know everything they

624
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,919
saw but we do know from my unidentified

625
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,280
that they did at least

626
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,360
hear about the nimitz case and the the

627
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,039
roosevelt cases that were

628
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,880
featured in the unidentified television

629
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:07,120
show and uh what we're seeing from both

630
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,640
of them i think

631
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,480
warner at least at one point a little

632
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,320
more than a year ago was a little bit

633
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,400
proactive in terms of talking about it

634
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,200
publicly

635
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,440
and we sort of knew that he was at least

636
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,880
one guy who was uh

637
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,240
definitely pushing for it he's the

638
00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:22,720
co-chair and obviously he got some

639
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,080
cooperation

640
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,039
but rubio had done an interview earlier

641
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,960
this year with a tv station down in

642
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:29,919
miami

643
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,720
and he you know he wasn't asked about it

644
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,240
or i mean excuse me uh he wasn't

645
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,440
offering anything up

646
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,159
but when he was asked about it he did uh

647
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,440
you know he was pretty forthright and

648
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,880
actually made some very interesting

649
00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:41,600
comments

650
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,520
and warner as far as i know is up for

651
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:44,960
reelection uh

652
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,919
next week he'll be uh going for his i

653
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,440
think his third term

654
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,520
and as far as i know he's not running on

655
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:53,360
any kind of a ufo platform

656
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,960
this seems to be something that these

657
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,039
guys aren't really sort of front loading

658
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,640
but they will answer

659
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,559
at least seriously if they're asked

660
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,919
about it

661
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:03,840
yeah and i think that's significant that

662
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:06,240
whatever they saw was compelling enough

663
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,400
for them to say in those interviews

664
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:09,760
where they were approached uh

665
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,120
fairly recently certainly i think in the

666
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,080
uh red zone as far as campaigning goes

667
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,600
uh for warner

668
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,400
that that they take it very seriously

669
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,320
that what they saw um

670
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,000
we should take this stuff very very

671
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,000
seriously uh like you said

672
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,720
you know rubio went so far as to say not

673
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:30,240
only should we take it seriously

674
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,520
i hope it's aliens yeah yeah yeah i like

675
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,200
that response i like that quote be

676
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:37,039
very scary to know that they have

677
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,960
technology like this so

678
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:41,039
um you can tell they're taking it very

679
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:42,159
seriously it

680
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,200
seems and at least i know melon feels uh

681
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:47,120
and others people like brian bender

682
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:48,240
other people kind of have

683
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,799
the the pulse on on the hill there that

684
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,240
they are pretty compelled

685
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,440
to to get answers um that

686
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,440
they're not going to drop this so they

687
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,720
want answers

688
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,360
uh do we know if there's anybody more

689
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,960
than just those two

690
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,720
that are sort of at least behind the

691
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,559
scenes pushing for this or is uh that's

692
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,640
uh that's all we know for now

693
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:11,039
that's all we know for sure for now

694
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:12,080
there was another

695
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,640
uh house representative and i can't

696
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,919
remember his name

697
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,679
he asked the navy wrote a letter to the

698
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,600
nation

699
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:21,440
wrote a letter to the navy asking for

700
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,600
information the navy essentially said

701
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,039
well we talked to the house armed

702
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,799
services committee so

703
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,400
we're good essentially we're not going

704
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,480
to give you anything we

705
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,200
answer to them he wasn't happy with that

706
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,039
answer

707
00:24:39,750 --> 00:24:37,520
but you know he didn't take it any

708
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,760
further but that was right before

709
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,760
the senate intelligence committee

710
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,360
decided to do something so he may have

711
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,480
been tipped off hey

712
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,679
don't worry about it we're getting

713
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,679
answers and you know yeah that was a

714
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,200
while back that was uh mark

715
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:51,120
walker by the way from mark walker there

716
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:52,480
you go so

717
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,840
um so yeah fortunately it doesn't seem

718
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:56,880
to have

719
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:59,679
had a negative effect on anyone's

720
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,720
campaign

721
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,880
uh which is kind of interesting and even

722
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,159
four years ago

723
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
uh you know john podesta was pushing for

724
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,080
hillary clinton to talk about ufos and

725
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,679
she did in some instances

726
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:12,480
yeah if she was asked if and podesta was

727
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,039
pushing

728
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,120
ask her ask her ask her and she would

729
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:16,799
respond if she was asked but

730
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:20,000
otherwise nobody's pushing it though but

731
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,400
what

732
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,919
kind of indicate they don't feel that it

733
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:25,039
is kind of the

734
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,279
the anchor or it's going to sink their

735
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,720
campaigns like it did for dennis

736
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:29,679
kucinich in

737
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,480
2008 when you know it was revealed in in

738
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,080
shirley maclaine's book that he had had

739
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,360
a ufo sighting

740
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,080
and he was made fun of which you know

741
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,919
ultimately was one of the

742
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:42,080
nails in the coffin to his campaign his

743
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,039
running

744
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:45,679
of course he was an outsider anyway but

745
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,640
uh

746
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,559
the point was is that yeah it doesn't

747
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,000
seem to have hurt their campaigns

748
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,400
they are enthusiastic about the topic

749
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,159
and and that speaks volumes i think

750
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:56,400
that's really important

751
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:58,559
those were great questions frank thank

752
00:26:02,789 --> 00:25:59,440
you i

753
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:02,799
wanted to ask you alejandro was this a

754
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,279
form

755
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:05,279
and you'll know where i'm going when i

756
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,320
ask this question

757
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,720
was this a form of disclosure by the u.s

758
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,679
government

759
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,080
when the new york times writers leslie

760
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,080
keane ralph blumenthal

761
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:15,919
and helen cooper wrote the story they

762
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,400
did titled glowing auras and black money

763
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:20,400
the pentagon's mysterious ufo program in

764
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,240
december 2017.

765
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,480
the only reason i asked that question is

766
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,159
because there have been some well-known

767
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,919
folks in the ufo community that have

768
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:28,640
studied

769
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:33,760
uh the topic of ufos and ets for decades

770
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,039
and they felt that that one article

771
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,480
was a form of disclosure um

772
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:43,039
and others have felt that was just a

773
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,000
sort of

774
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,279
pseudo-drip pseudo-disclosure kind of

775
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,679
move on the u.s government's part

776
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:52,159
what are your thoughts on that topic i

777
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:53,279
think it was definitely

778
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,600
uh disclosure of some sort a disclosure

779
00:27:01,110 --> 00:27:00,240
and maybe even and i think elizondo

780
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,120
argued

781
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:04,480
it was the disclosure it was disclosure

782
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,559
it was disclosure that they they're

783
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,360
investigating looking into the topic

784
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,080
they've ran across genuine anomalies

785
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,440
that they can't explain

786
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,760
that they take it seriously and it is a

787
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:17,840
legitimate topic

788
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:21,039
that to is essentially disclosure

789
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,480
the uh question is you know

790
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,480
the the next step which everybody is

791
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:28,000
looking at of course is

792
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:31,440
disclosing everything but that's kind of

793
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,919
untenable um and in a way justifiably in

794
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,640
that

795
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,559
kind of like we discussed earlier some

796
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:41,440
of this stuff is justifiably

797
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:44,559
classified and that's the hard part

798
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:47,360
between what's classified and what's not

799
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,760
um

800
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,080
melon does make a point though uh he

801
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,279
says that you know

802
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,480
he did not anticipate he had suggested

803
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:56,880
in an article in the op-ed on the hill

804
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,200
that the senate do this that the senate

805
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,480
make inquiries

806
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,640
now that the navy's admitted to all of

807
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,399
this they also put

808
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:06,240
some verbage or some kind of talking

809
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,600
points to this on the

810
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,720
to the star's website to help encourage

811
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,720
the senate intelligence committee to do

812
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:13,279
this

813
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,399
but they did not and millen wrote if

814
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,919
much of this research is in the

815
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,840
classified world it'll probably have to

816
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:21,120
stay classified

817
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,799
so he suggested these briefings will

818
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,240
have to be classified

819
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,279
he was surprised he says when the senate

820
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,960
intelligence committee actually asked

821
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,440
for a

822
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,080
public report a public-facing partial

823
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,200
portion of this

824
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,799
and he says you know some of those

825
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,399
people may bulk some of those

826
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,919
intelligence people saying hey this is

827
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,840
classified how are we going to do that

828
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,480
but he argued you can definitely do it

829
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,000
every year you have to do this

830
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,559
because every year they have to provide

831
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,000
public reports

832
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:51,039
and sometimes throughout the year

833
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,919
when a senator is says hey i need to

834
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,080
speak to my constituents about this

835
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,720
project it's classified projects so i

836
00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,919
need you

837
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:03,200
to distill a public you know report for

838
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:04,080
me

839
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,520
and then they'll provide that public

840
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,520
report so they have to you know do the

841
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,200
work to figure out how do we frame this

842
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,799
how do we tell people what this is

843
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,159
without revealing anything that's

844
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,480
classified so that is a regular process

845
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,520
that they do and that's what they're

846
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:16,960
going to have to do

847
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:20,480
the extent of what they share you know

848
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,279
this is the door that's open now we can

849
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,679
approach our politicians

850
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,520
and we can say we want more information

851
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,600
we want more information it's a legit

852
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:32,240
topic there's even a location a uap task

853
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,440
force working on this

854
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,600
we want them to share more information

855
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,799
this all enables

856
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,360
us and empowers us to be able to get

857
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:41,039
more information in the future and

858
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,480
that's going to be going to be the game

859
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,480
we're playing in the future serious ufo

860
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:45,360
researchers are

861
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:47,120
that's going to be our battle is you

862
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:48,640
know getting that information

863
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,960
i'm glad you brought up ufo researchers

864
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,080
because i wanted to

865
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:55,039
mention something interesting from a ufo

866
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,000
researcher

867
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,679
you are very familiar with barry

868
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,520
greenwood and he wrote a thought

869
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:00,720
provoking book

870
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,399
um reading the summary review of it

871
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,919
based on the government's own research

872
00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:07,760
and internal files what they've learned

873
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,000
about

874
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:10,240
ufos is a threat to national security

875
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:12,399
ufo sightings at military bases in the

876
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,480
u.s north africa and the middle east

877
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,120
the cover-up role of the fbi and the cia

878
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,279
the president's legislatures astronauts

879
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,880
military leaders and international

880
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,520
scientific authorities who are on record

881
00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:25,679
as in favor of renewed investigation of

882
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,399
ufos

883
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:28,399
that was called ufo cover-up but the

884
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:29,679
government won't say

885
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,799
he had to uh

886
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,480
well he wanted to make a statement to

887
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,159
you just to find out

888
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,880
what your response would be to it

889
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,960
regarding this interview with you

890
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,720
he said he feels that the results of the

891
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,640
senate intelligence committee

892
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:47,120
uh committee will probably be of the

893
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,399
most general nature

894
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,559
and not earth shaking what is your

895
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:52,960
response to that

896
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:55,120
well it depends i mean a lot of that is

897
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,480
a matter of perspective

898
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,320
and and i gotta say i'm a huge fan of

899
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,679
barry greenwood's book

900
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,600
our work and that book is one of the

901
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:03,279
most important in this field i use it

902
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:03,600
for

903
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:06,799
referencing quite a bit you know um

904
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:09,919
but it depends on a matter

905
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:13,120
for instance just that marco rubio and

906
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,799
mark warner are talking about this and

907
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,159
taking it seriously

908
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:19,039
is mind-blowing to a large percentage of

909
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,159
the population

910
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,480
especially in washington dc in fact it's

911
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:24,640
probably mind-blowing to everybody

912
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:28,240
in washington d.c i mean like harry reid

913
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,519
said in the phenomenon

914
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,760
he had a ton of pushback when he wanted

915
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,519
to start these programs and

916
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:36,000
um and they were threatening on firing

917
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:37,600
the guy he put in charge of it he says

918
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,080
so

919
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,480
there was a ton of pushback for them

920
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,519
then to say hey

921
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,360
wow this is actually legit there's

922
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,640
something to this

923
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:46,159
i mean that's mind-blowing for a lot of

924
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,919
people it's not necessarily mind-blowing

925
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,720
to people who are

926
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:51,039
into ufos or have watched some of the

927
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,840
pope culture

928
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,600
are familiar with some of the mythology

929
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,200
out there but um

930
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,760
so it is kind of a matter of perspective

931
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,320
uh

932
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,399
so i think that that report will blow

933
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:01,600
some people's minds

934
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,880
and i think it'll blow the right

935
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,640
people's minds it'll blow the minds

936
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:06,240
we've been trying to blow

937
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:08,399
for decades you know it'll blow the

938
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:09,679
minds of people who

939
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,760
you know barry greenwood's book or if

940
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,720
his book was

941
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,760
in front of all of the right people you

942
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:17,360
know and his book probably blew a lot of

943
00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:18,000
people's

944
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,559
minds it'll do it along those lines but

945
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,840
i think it's right

946
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,360
for those of us looking for more

947
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:25,440
information information that

948
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,519
is not out in the public it might be um

949
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,519
who knows it could be very disappointing

950
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,360
we just don't know i asked mellon what

951
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,240
he thought

952
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:36,000
and he essentially said i'm not

953
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:38,080
speculating because essentially what

954
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,679
he's doing right now

955
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:42,399
is doing his best to make sure that

956
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:43,600
those reports

957
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:47,360
are as full and honest and as really

958
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,640
revealing as possible in fact they even

959
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,480
said you know season two of unidentified

960
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,919
that's what it was all about

961
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:56,159
is to cover military case after military

962
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,360
cases to show

963
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,240
hey these guys got a lot of records so

964
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,760
if they come out and say we don't know

965
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,640
much that's

966
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,960
not true they know a lot they've got

967
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,559
decades worth of cases that they've

968
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,679
looked into

969
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:10,159
so um that's the kind of stuff that he

970
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,880
is trying to

971
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,200
hold their feet to the fire on and just

972
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:14,480
to jump in really quick

973
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:17,279
with the question uh regarding that uh

974
00:33:22,149 --> 00:33:17,919
uh

975
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,159
announced not too long ago that

976
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,720
david norquist that was going to be uh

977
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:27,039
the assistant uh secretary of defense

978
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,760
was uh

979
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,919
going to be overseeing that among some

980
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:32,159
of his other duties are also he

981
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,360
is the chairman of the special access

982
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,320
project uh uh committee uh within the

983
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,080
defense department so

984
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,039
he's got a few duties on his desk but

985
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:44,880
this is one he's also

986
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,440
taken on and well let's face it that

987
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,519
we've got an election day coming up next

988
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,480
tuesday

989
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,480
there's a very realistic possibility

990
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:54,159
that the current president will not be

991
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,039
re-elected

992
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,600
and if he goes uh david norquist and his

993
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:58,960
boss mark esper go

994
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,399
too uh do you see any kind of a

995
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,799
change of the guard over at the pentagon

996
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:05,679
having

997
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,800
an impact on the momentum that uh has

998
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,440
been built up up to this point

999
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,159
well see this is a kind of like uh this

1000
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,480
is a kind of close game this is kind of

1001
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,800
the details i mean there's so much going

1002
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,159
on in the hill

1003
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,200
that's what we're here for opinions and

1004
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:26,079
feelings and we just don't know we have

1005
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:26,399
so

1006
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,520
hard to know and i've asked

1007
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:33,280
you know people like melon and brian

1008
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,599
bender people who spend more time

1009
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,760
on the hill and would might have some

1010
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,800
insight into this

1011
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,800
and they don't either they don't know

1012
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,159
because people

1013
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,960
uh you know are in the if they have an

1014
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,800
interest in this topic they're typically

1015
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:48,399
in the closet about it so you're just

1016
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,599
not going to know

1017
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,919
what their level of interest is or how

1018
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,839
seriously they take it so

1019
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:55,440
i just feel we don't have enough

1020
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:57,200
information to know

1021
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,640
what administration would be better uh

1022
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:04,000
for it i think that um uh bryce is able

1023
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,040
made the argument

1024
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:08,240
in an article today that the people

1025
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:09,040
might want

1026
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,320
to be feel more comfortable in

1027
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,400
the pentagon and in washington dc to

1028
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,000
work with someone who

1029
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,960
um does things in the manner that

1030
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,320
they're used to

1031
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,440
so uh they may and they may you know

1032
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,160
shirk the chaos but who knows it's so

1033
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:27,440
difficult to know

1034
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:30,079
i i don't at least i don't feel like i

1035
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,960
know for sure

1036
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,200
even with all the people i've talked to

1037
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:34,640
i don't feel like i have any more

1038
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,200
insight

1039
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:38,400
in uh what affect you know kamala harris

1040
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:39,440
being on the senate intelligence

1041
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,240
committee and then

1042
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,040
maybe being vice president or not or

1043
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:45,599
norquest staying or leaving

1044
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,160
it's just really hard to say i wanted to

1045
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:50,880
bring up something interesting that

1046
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,560
well-known ufo researcher

1047
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:57,440
jan aldrich who's been studying the ufo

1048
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,000
topic

1049
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:01,760
of basically ufo data compiling mountain

1050
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:04,640
mountainous evid mountainous amounts of

1051
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,680
ufo data

1052
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:08,000
another great person i'm a fan of his

1053
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,280
too yeah yeah

1054
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,119
a serious researcher we all reverend

1055
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,359
respect and who's also a very very good

1056
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:14,960
friend of barry greenwood's

1057
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:19,280
and he also runs project 1947.

1058
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:20,880
i wanted to read a few statements from

1059
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,760
him they're slightly long

1060
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:25,040
but i was going to read them in their

1061
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,119
entirety

1062
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:30,320
christopher mellon jan aldridge states

1063
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:33,760
the may 2016 interview he said he knew

1064
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,079
of

1065
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,280
no ufo investigation and he should know

1066
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,359
every intel activity going on

1067
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:41,440
later the story changed he did know

1068
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:45,040
about aatip an email exchange on current

1069
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,000
encounters

1070
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:48,079
he admitted he was not aware of every

1071
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,920
intel activity a more realistic

1072
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,960
assessment

1073
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,119
since then the story of his official ufo

1074
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,720
involvement has mushroomed

1075
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,480
this might be understandable but it

1076
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:59,119
gives me problems

1077
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:03,040
then he goes on to say i know of tangent

1078
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:06,880
tangent tangential item to ufo

1079
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,160
from active duty the last time i checked

1080
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,000
it is still classified even though

1081
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:14,480
some was published because this happened

1082
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,440
it does not

1083
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,280
give me the authority to talk about it

1084
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,720
that being said he's

1085
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:21,520
going on regarding melon he said he knew

1086
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,000
nothing

1087
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:24,800
of ufo investigations then he knew about

1088
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:25,440
a

1089
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,119
of defense

1090
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,760
how much further will this story go see

1091
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:39,680
how far it has gone since his first

1092
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,560
interview

1093
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,520
i asked um jan if i could quote him on

1094
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,720
all this he said yes

1095
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,960
and as you can see he it sounds like

1096
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,839
he's just

1097
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,000
talking like he would normally just

1098
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,160
basically to a person these are just

1099
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,160
notes that i took so i apologize if

1100
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:56,720
they're a little choppy

1101
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,760
no i get it then he said i'm sorry to

1102
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:00,800
interrupt you

1103
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,000
he said i'm not accusing melon of a lack

1104
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:07,200
of integrity let's be clear on that as

1105
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,720
far as ufos go

1106
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,560
i believe the whole thing is an

1107
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:12,240
intelligence failure

1108
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:16,079
specifically pbb treated every case as a

1109
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,119
separate event

1110
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,599
hynek wanted them computerized to look

1111
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,880
for patterns

1112
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,040
every ufo case that came into the

1113
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:25,359
pentagon was sent to the cia

1114
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,720
in five copies and all message traffic

1115
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,760
on ufos also was forwarded to the cia

1116
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,720
nsa got three copies however cases were

1117
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:35,680
periodically

1118
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:39,119
destroyed how can you identify patterns

1119
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,320
in these kind

1120
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,119
of procedures since ufos were already

1121
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,000
known to be foolishness

1122
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,320
there was no incentive to do a good job

1123
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,599
see also the uk

1124
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,839
and australian intel docks for the same

1125
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,800
attitude

1126
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,119
see larry hancock unidentified the

1127
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,200
national intelligence problem of ufos

1128
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,560
and swords and powell

1129
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:00,800
ufos and government then he went on to

1130
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,320
say elizondo

1131
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,640
i have big problems with this guy he

1132
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,119
talks for hours without saying anything

1133
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,440
every time people start questioning then

1134
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,800
it's classified

1135
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,800
reread the first new york times article

1136
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,160
which claims most of this

1137
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:17,040
is unclassified he obviously is ignorant

1138
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:18,800
of history of the subject before his

1139
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:19,520
involvement

1140
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,760
his excuse for this is not credible then

1141
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,280
he goes on to delong

1142
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:26,079
de long he is the arbitrator of what is

1143
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,960
relevant

1144
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,440
no one with ufo community need to be

1145
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:30,960
needs to be consulted

1146
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,280
why did the main brace fdr sighting

1147
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,800
become so important

1148
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,599
it is not an outstanding incident rather

1149
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,000
it was not well investigated except for

1150
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,960
maybe the uk top cliff sighting then he

1151
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:44,640
goes on to say

1152
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,320
in 1977 bob pratt asked the depart

1153
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,480
deputy secretary of defense for public

1154
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,720
information about how ufos were handled

1155
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,440
post

1156
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,359
pbb um just so folks know what he's

1157
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,280
referring to that's project blue book

1158
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:01,760
pra pratt was told they were recorded

1159
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,880
but nor

1160
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,680
uh but not necessarily investigated my

1161
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:07,520
personal opinion the reports recorded

1162
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:09,119
and signed by a flag officer at the

1163
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:10,000
national military

1164
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,160
command center nmcc evidence for

1165
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,280
exist he just said also that gets intel

1166
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,720
out of the ufo business

1167
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,720
and turns it over to operations which

1168
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,560
was discussed at the termination of

1169
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,000
project blue book

1170
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,960
last thing he says here i continue to

1171
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,319
believe that the

1172
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:31,040
government has more and better info than

1173
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,680
we do

1174
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,760
but not necessarily the answer as you

1175
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,760
can see he went over a variety of topics

1176
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:37,359
do you have any thoughts on anything he

1177
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,079
said

1178
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,760
yeah i'm going to go backwards so i want

1179
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,920
to go tom elizondo

1180
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,440
then melon because melons i think the

1181
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,119
biggest key to all of this

1182
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,160
um but you know the last statement he

1183
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,000
said is something that you got to keep

1184
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,160
in mind when we're covering all of this

1185
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,280
and that last statement that he made is

1186
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,480
very similar

1187
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,720
to the mindset of the people that he's

1188
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,319
kind of criticizing there

1189
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,079
so i think when you put yourself in

1190
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,920
their shoes especially him

1191
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,079
he'll understand i think their actions a

1192
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,000
little better so going backwards

1193
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,400
tom de long tom delong although he has

1194
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,480
said we don't need to consult

1195
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,640
people in the ufo community they are

1196
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,880
consulting people in the ufo community

1197
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:19,599
what they mean is not like at large not

1198
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,079
like the

1199
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,400
the general mythology or what is grant

1200
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,680
cameron calls it the

1201
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,319
uh the core story these core stories

1202
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,160
that's the mythology that's the

1203
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,079
stuff that is down the rabbit hole that

1204
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,720
is just nowhere that serves no purpose

1205
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:35,040
in what they're trying to do but while

1206
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:36,640
tom delong says this

1207
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:39,920
he's also kind of like any of the like a

1208
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,200
lot of the people listening

1209
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,960
i mean he's a conspiracy guy he's

1210
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,720
watching all of the videos he could be

1211
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,240
watching this interview he's

1212
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,480
watching the videos he's watching you

1213
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,079
know all of the stuff he's watching

1214
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,760
jimmy church he's watching

1215
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:53,839
richard dolan he's watching you know all

1216
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,440
of these kind of people that we know

1217
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,440
who are talking about all of kind of

1218
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,040
some of the more french and really

1219
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,160
wild wild stuff as part as far as

1220
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,400
speculative what may be going on stephen

1221
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,520
graham we know this

1222
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,440
because he references it a lot yeah even

1223
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,560
stephen greer

1224
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,680
um you know richard doty uh who we know

1225
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,200
is kind of like you know

1226
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:16,240
putting out false information um so he's

1227
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:17,520
following all of these people and

1228
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:18,079
creating

1229
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,960
of what he believes may be going on

1230
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,440
around that but at the same time when

1231
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:27,280
you step back to the professional goals

1232
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:28,720
that someone like elizondo

1233
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,000
or melon would have that

1234
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,560
plan that melon hatched you know there's

1235
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,920
only certain people

1236
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:38,000
should they have consulted jan aldriss

1237
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,359
and barry greenwood

1238
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:42,160
yes they didn't but i can tell you they

1239
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,359
did consult people who

1240
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,520
are fans of theirs who know their work

1241
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,480
very well let me

1242
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,920
let me jump in and say something nice

1243
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,520
about barry greenwood when

1244
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:52,560
tim mcmillan got a look at that uh

1245
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,839
report from bigelow's bass organization

1246
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,960
to the pentagon

1247
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,359
uh greenwood's buck clear intent was

1248
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,280
cited heavily in that just uh

1249
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,640
just so yeah exactly exactly great point

1250
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:07,040
so they are looking at people like jan

1251
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,800
people like barry they are looking at

1252
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:10,400
their work and they take it very very

1253
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,440
seriously

1254
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,560
so um so i think that kind of they may

1255
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,760
not have given him a call

1256
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,240
but they like his work uh type of stuff

1257
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,240
uh when it comes to louis elizondo

1258
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,560
i disagree that his reason for not

1259
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,000
knowing ufo history

1260
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:27,119
is uh is not legit i think it's very

1261
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,920
legit

1262
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,720
i think that there is so much noise in

1263
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,680
the signal

1264
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,560
when you go out to public information

1265
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:36,000
regarding ufos

1266
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,599
that i do think it's a net by far

1267
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,839
and that negative i mean if you take all

1268
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:43,599
of the the stuff out there all of the

1269
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,240
books

1270
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,319
you're just going to get a lot of wild

1271
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,839
conjecture or just

1272
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,839
made up stuff that's going to be very

1273
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,280
far from the truth

1274
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,359
he explained it he explained it early on

1275
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,560
why he didn't look

1276
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,480
at it he just looked at what was on his

1277
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,319
desk

1278
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,079
yeah he didn't want to be tainted by any

1279
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,400
of the past he wanted to look at the

1280
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,400
cases as they were as they came across

1281
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,200
his desk

1282
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,040
uh which is what he was tasked to do and

1283
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,640
take them at face value

1284
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,680
and the beauty of that is that doing

1285
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,480
that

1286
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,480
um kind of similar to let's say other

1287
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:16,400
people who worked doing this in the

1288
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:17,200
government like

1289
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:20,240
nick pope or dr j allen heineck he found

1290
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,560
that

1291
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:23,200
hey this is legit we've got a genuine

1292
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,880
mystery here we've got a problem we've

1293
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,560
got an intelligence issue

1294
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
we've got a major major this is a major

1295
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,960
deal that we have to get escalated

1296
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:33,119
so i think it's good that he took that

1297
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,079
stance

1298
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:37,440
um when it comes to um then melon

1299
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:40,240
uh what's funny about what jan says

1300
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:40,640
there

1301
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,240
is i posed a very similar question

1302
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,560
to chris melon fairly recently i'm like

1303
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,400
i'm looking at this and i'm a little

1304
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,440
confused

1305
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,839
and i mentioned the same thing and he

1306
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,920
said well i don't see why you would

1307
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,079
be confused by that it seems clear to me

1308
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,079
but he's like you know

1309
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,839
we'll talk about it so he's out of town

1310
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:04,000
but that's a good point but by looking

1311
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,200
at it closer

1312
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,720
and this is before i read my article

1313
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:08,480
because i did get some clarification

1314
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,280
from him

1315
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:12,800
um for my article um

1316
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,720
he there's a difference between projects

1317
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,359
and work he told me in my article when

1318
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:21,119
he found out about atip he was surprised

1319
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,560
because he didn't think anything there

1320
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,200
were any projects or programs going on

1321
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:28,319
in this field meaning ufos

1322
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:30,319
there may not be projects or programs

1323
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,079
going on and he did have

1324
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:35,040
access to a lot of them if not all of

1325
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,319
them and i mean

1326
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,400
i think that people say that's

1327
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,000
unrealistic but prove it

1328
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:42,640
we really don't um and i'm working on

1329
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,480
that right now i'm seeing if i can prove

1330
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:45,680
that

1331
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,880
but so far i really don't see

1332
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,640
any room for that that would be a really

1333
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,560
big deal if you can prove

1334
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,599
there is a project going on that is not

1335
00:45:59,349 --> 00:45:56,400
under

1336
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:59,359
typical oversight that is a big deal

1337
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:00,960
that's a big scandal

1338
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:04,160
um that shouldn't exist and if you found

1339
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:04,720
that

1340
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,359
closer but there's a difference the ufo

1341
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,480
work that's been going

1342
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,560
gone on like they said is classified but

1343
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,160
it easily fits

1344
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,319
and elizondo even said this because this

1345
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,599
is how he got

1346
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,359
to partner with so many different

1347
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:23,119
agencies and and branches of the

1348
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,000
military

1349
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,760
because those people who were doing a

1350
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,359
little bit of work in it these are

1351
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:29,280
embedded in other projects that have

1352
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,480
nothing to do

1353
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,200
with ufos you know for instance radar

1354
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:34,319
projects or

1355
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,599
projects that's the job of the foreign

1356
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:41,440
technology division is to

1357
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,359
look at foreign technology figure out

1358
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,040
what it is capture it

1359
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,599
back engineer it if possible you know

1360
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,680
that's what they're doing so

1361
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,000
these sort of examinations have happened

1362
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,079
before people like keith basterfield

1363
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,960
a great researcher um and others have

1364
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,240
been able to find

1365
00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,240
you know follow these these threads as

1366
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,520
to where who's looking at these

1367
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,520
different ufo cases and discover some of

1368
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,480
those things

1369
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,640
so he's talking about and i'm going to

1370
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,240
clarify because i don't want to speak

1371
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:09,680
for him but i believe what he's talking

1372
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,160
about is

1373
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,839
projects he was not aware that there

1374
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:14,319
were any projects how did he know about

1375
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:15,119
atip

1376
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:21,119
than a regular program everybody keeps

1377
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:22,960
getting on elizondo saying oh this isn't

1378
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,800
a project this isn't a program

1379
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,720
it's and some of you are kind of saying

1380
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,319
it's more like a dossier

1381
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,559
and i've had this conversation with lou

1382
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,640
and with nick pope recently because nick

1383
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,720
pope gets blamed for the same thing

1384
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,040
and it's true these aren't big prague

1385
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,400
programs or projects

1386
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,800
in that they've got a lot of staff and

1387
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:41,839
people on them

1388
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,720
um you know these are kind of dossiers

1389
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:45,599
these are

1390
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,800
files of of cases to look at

1391
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:51,280
so they're they're not as small as just

1392
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,960
one person's hobby but they're not as

1393
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,040
big of as actually official program

1394
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,240
beyond that atip is a pep project

1395
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:01,359
of harry reid a senator it wasn't

1396
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,000
something

1397
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,800
that the pentagon wanted to do or asked

1398
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,440
to do

1399
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,599
it was foisted upon them because harry

1400
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,359
reid wanted to do it

1401
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:12,400
and he wanted to keep it secret so

1402
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,160
this is kind of a an example of at least

1403
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,680
a program that was discoverable

1404
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,400
you really got to give bigelow credit

1405
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,079
and his whole crew

1406
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,599
you know the people who knew like hal

1407
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:27,680
put off or eric davis or

1408
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,960
or come kellahar who had worked on

1409
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,359
the atip project and also were

1410
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,520
interfacing with the ufo community

1411
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,760
but never let the cat out of the bag we

1412
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,079
never knew that this was going on

1413
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:42,000
so the secret was kept it was

1414
00:48:44,790 --> 00:48:43,280
discoverable

1415
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:44,800
but just chris mellon didn't know where

1416
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,480
to look until

1417
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:49,119
he did find out somebody gave him a tip

1418
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:49,599
he

1419
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,960
believed it happened

1420
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,960
that somebody gave him the tip maybe

1421
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,720
somebody on bigelow's team

1422
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,040
um because he has worked with them he

1423
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,040
was working on the ufo data

1424
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,960
project which had some some of those

1425
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:06,480
people i think how put off was working

1426
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,440
on that as well

1427
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,200
yes somehow he got tipped off to

1428
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,359
elizondo went to elizondo

1429
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,839
and decided to try to help him and you

1430
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,240
know he's very excited that it existed

1431
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,160
i'm glad i'm glad you brought that up

1432
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:19,839
because there was a few other things

1433
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:20,160
that

1434
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,760
bring up to you and i also misspoke

1435
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,480
earlier

1436
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,559
i didn't mean to say how he would speak

1437
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,920
to a normal person

1438
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,680
i meant to say how he would chat

1439
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:31,440
normally with a person

1440
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:34,000
so regarding jan and how he just uh gave

1441
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,480
me these

1442
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:37,359
uh uh rough draft notes that he sent to

1443
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,680
me

1444
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,520
and i also called him by phone to talk

1445
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,119
to him a little bit about this top

1446
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,920
these topics also two just one last

1447
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,760
thing on that is i do want to pursue

1448
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,400
that

1449
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,760
question further yes so what i made were

1450
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,680
kind of some guesses and generalizations

1451
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,520
and how i understand things

1452
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:56,480
yes i am pursuing on nailing that down

1453
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,599
and getting

1454
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,440
specific answers to those specific

1455
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,119
questions thank you now let me

1456
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,800
let me ask you this uh it looks like

1457
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:04,400
chant wants to move on a little bit

1458
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,000
but i do want to ask you uh yeah yeah

1459
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,319
let me let me jump in here and uh

1460
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:12,400
basically jan is pretty critical pretty

1461
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,200
skeptical

1462
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,920
over some things that uh mellon had said

1463
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,520
back in 2016.

1464
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,839
and do you think it's just a case of uh

1465
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:21,520
it's like hey that was then and this is

1466
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,000
now

1467
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,200
and uh the ball is moving and

1468
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,119
let's not look a gift horse in the mouth

1469
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,790
no i think that um when i laid out

1470
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:35,119
almost exactly what jan laid out to

1471
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,920
chris he said

1472
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,400
i don't see where any of those comments

1473
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,079
contradict one another

1474
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,720
and in looking at it i can see it in a

1475
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,319
manner in which they don't

1476
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,359
as well so i don't necessarily think

1477
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,720
things have changed

1478
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:51,200
but i think that um there's a lot of

1479
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,240
gaps there

1480
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,200
that it could be articulated in a way

1481
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:56,960
that clarifies that and that's what i

1482
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,240
hope to get

1483
00:51:01,430 --> 00:51:00,400
yeah so jen had actually brought up two

1484
00:51:04,390 --> 00:51:01,440
extra points that i

1485
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,400
i wanted to read to you uh one we'll go

1486
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,079
ahead and start off with a little shade

1487
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:09,839
that he threw at gordon cooper

1488
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,520
dan said gordon cooper have people read

1489
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,880
cooper's leap of faith

1490
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:17,200
he supports contacting dan fry a major

1491
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,079
embarrassment

1492
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:20,079
he wrote himself into white sands

1493
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,240
filming tom tullian interviewed

1494
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:24,640
the tracking crew and they did not work

1495
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,520
for cooper

1496
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:27,520
cooper was not in their chain of command

1497
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,880
he was not involved

1498
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,880
moving along he you mentioned bigelow

1499
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:32,400
earlier i was going to go ahead and

1500
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:33,520
mention a comment

1501
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:37,599
that jan aldrich made about bigelow

1502
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,030
right here it says i don't know what

1503
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,520
bigelow did with 22 million dollars

1504
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:49,839
but indications that some of what some

1505
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:52,000
of it was not well spent

1506
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,079
so those two things regarding gordon

1507
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,440
cooper and

1508
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,760
bigelow did you have any comments on

1509
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,800
those

1510
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,680
yes first gordon cooper i didn't i

1511
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:03,280
wasn't aware i mean jan's a great

1512
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,400
researcher so

1513
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,359
uh i want to pursue that second part

1514
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:08,960
more closely in other words

1515
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,720
you know gordon cooper said he had a

1516
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:13,200
crew at edwards air force base that saw

1517
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:13,920
this uh

1518
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,760
you know circular or saucer-shaped craft

1519
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,480
land

1520
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,720
and then take off they filmed it gordon

1521
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:22,160
cooper said he came and they told him

1522
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,960
about it

1523
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,720
he looked and he saw in the film that

1524
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,319
certainly that was there he didn't watch

1525
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,160
the film but he stretched it out and

1526
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,880
saw the object called a courier or

1527
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,960
notified his higher-ups coryo came from

1528
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,440
dc

1529
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,520
took the film he never saw it again he's

1530
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:37,680
even looked for it never saw it again

1531
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:40,000
um however that's not the only encounter

1532
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,599
that he shared

1533
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,319
all the way going back into the 70s he's

1534
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,800
and maybe even further he shared another

1535
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,800
encounter that happened to him in 1955

1536
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,839
in germany

1537
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:52,400
when he was flying you know training

1538
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,359
missions

1539
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,240
and uh that you know he's in a group of

1540
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:59,760
jets flying one direction and a group of

1541
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:02,240
discs flying in a different fly in a

1542
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
different direction

1543
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,119
very quickly he says they chased them

1544
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:07,040
they were on alert for these objects

1545
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,000
stuff like this

1546
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,400
now he shared that story a long time ago

1547
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,119
so

1548
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:14,880
um in his later years did he start to

1549
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:18,800
mix things up or or fabricate or was his

1550
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:19,760
memory

1551
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,960
um you know messed up that's possible

1552
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,040
i certainly would not take that off the

1553
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:26,559
table because unfortunately

1554
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:29,920
there's so many old men uh who have had

1555
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,480
some

1556
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,400
you know i've won a lot of rewards jet

1557
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,319
fighter pilots stuff like this who have

1558
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:36,640
you know shared some just silly stories

1559
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,240
or stories that just don't make any

1560
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:40,000
sense and and sometimes that happens

1561
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,280
unfortunately so

1562
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,160
i don't know however uh you know when

1563
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:45,839
when chris mullen did say it was gordon

1564
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,559
cooper

1565
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,680
who went to um william

1566
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,920
um i can't remember his last name right

1567
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:52,880
now but essentially

1568
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:55,839
uh bill clinton's secretary of defense

1569
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:56,319
and

1570
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,359
uh what was that uh william perry or

1571
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,119
william cohen

1572
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,400
cohen he went to cohen and uh well

1573
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,319
that cooper talked to the president and

1574
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,240
then the president went to cohen

1575
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,400
and said and then cohen went to melon

1576
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,240
and said hey go figure out what you can

1577
00:54:15,349 --> 00:54:13,520
find out about this

1578
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:15,359
we don't know specifically which event

1579
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,720
he was talking about

1580
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,160
it seems as though he was looking for

1581
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,160
that film but uh

1582
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,839
whatever it was even if it was just the

1583
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,720
first incident um in germany

1584
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,480
you know mellon says when he did make

1585
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,000
the inquiry he was told to

1586
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:30,559
just get out of town and don't ask me

1587
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,359
again

1588
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,480
um so so yeah so

1589
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,119
who knows with that that's that's an

1590
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,640
interesting thought and something worth

1591
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,680
pursuing but regardless though whether

1592
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,520
cooper's incident was real or not it was

1593
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,280
the inspiration for mellon

1594
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,760
um getting into all of this co you know

1595
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,680
the secretary of defense asking him

1596
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,559
to research something on this um and

1597
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,079
that was like in the 90s

1598
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,720
that it inspired him when it comes to

1599
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,480
bigelow and the spending of the money

1600
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,040
i don't know i think that would be

1601
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,240
debatable

1602
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,640
uh you know he he spent some with mufon

1603
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,680
and i was you know

1604
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,200
move on spokesperson at the time that

1605
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,520
that project went on and we didn't know

1606
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,040
you know we just we thought the money

1607
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,559
came from bigelow uh

1608
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,400
we didn't know exactly where it did come

1609
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:16,000
from and it's funny that you know

1610
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,760
we were essentially working on atip

1611
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,240
without knowing about it

1612
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,799
so was that money well spent i think

1613
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,680
that

1614
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,400
while there were a handful of good cases

1615
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,000
that resulted from

1616
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:31,200
uh that cooperation there was a lot of

1617
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:34,559
uh you know there was it was a

1618
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,920
it was a trial effort that failed

1619
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,839
um eventually it didn't get extended

1620
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,040
because it didn't work

1621
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:43,920
my opinion of why it failed is just that

1622
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:44,720
you're asking

1623
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,880
too much of these volunteers these

1624
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,559
people who are

1625
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,280
trying to to work 40 hours a day take

1626
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:52,880
care of their families and then you want

1627
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,200
them to go do these major investigations

1628
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:57,839
on fly you know at a moment's notice all

1629
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,480
around

1630
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,400
the country it just those were the

1631
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:02,000
logistics that didn't work with

1632
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:04,000
that so was that money well it's not

1633
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,079
well spent i don't know i think that

1634
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,640
that's highly debatable uh and i think

1635
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,720
an argument can be made that it

1636
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,559
and that wasn't necessarily the case and

1637
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,079
even if it was

1638
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:16,240
that 22 million was not all that was

1639
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:18,400
spent bigelow had to reach into his own

1640
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:18,960
pockets

1641
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,160
and spend more money on the project so

1642
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,559
i wanted to uh move along to a really

1643
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:25,920
fascinating topic

1644
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,280
that i actually wanted to get

1645
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:32,640
some hopefully

1646
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:35,599
deep insight from you on or at least

1647
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,400
your thought

1648
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,400
processes on it ttsa which is a company

1649
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:43,200
that is a public benefits corporation

1650
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:45,920
established in 2017.

1651
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,960
i went ahead and looked them up on the

1652
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,000
sec.gov's website

1653
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,680
and i wanted to read to you a little bit

1654
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:53,119
about them regarding

1655
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,440
what is stated on the sec.gov's website

1656
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,400
currently this year it says our mission

1657
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:02,000
is to be a vehicle for change by

1658
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,720
inspiring

1659
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:04,240
a newfound appreciation and

1660
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,839
understanding of the profound

1661
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,160
yet unresolved mysteries of the universe

1662
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:10,000
that can have a positive impact on

1663
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,880
humanity

1664
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,880
we are working to achieve our mission

1665
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,640
via an entertainment science and

1666
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,079
aerospace consortium

1667
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,760
that inspires and collaborates with

1668
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,760
global citizens to investigate the outer

1669
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:20,880
edges of science

1670
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,359
and unconventional thinking in order to

1671
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,200
push human knowledge and capability

1672
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,760
forward results of operation

1673
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,599
the company is currently organized as

1674
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:31,040
two separate divisions

1675
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,880
the entertainment division and the

1676
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,640
science and technology division

1677
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:36,880
our public benefit purpose is a unifying

1678
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,720
factor across our divisions

1679
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,559
currently only one of our divisions the

1680
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:42,240
entertainment division receives

1681
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:46,160
revenue tts creates and licenses

1682
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,559
original content across a variety of

1683
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:50,079
media platforms including

1684
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,599
music books movies and television tts

1685
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,040
also manufactures

1686
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:57,119
brand related novelty merchandise

1687
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,440
primarily sold directly to consumer

1688
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:01,760
within its own e-commerce and retail

1689
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:02,480
channels

1690
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,359
existing products may be found at a

1691
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,960
certain website that it states right

1692
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:08,000
there now i wanted to read

1693
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:09,440
something interesting to you when i went

1694
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:11,599
ahead and read further on the sec.gov

1695
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:15,040
website regarding ttsa their financial

1696
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:15,760
state

1697
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,280
their sec filing shows 53 million

1698
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,240
into and out of their capital account

1699
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:24,160
which means that they have a capital

1700
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:25,280
account deficit

1701
00:58:31,950 --> 00:58:28,799
of 53 million dollars

1702
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:31,960
um further it states that in august of

1703
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,200
2018

1704
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,400
which is a separate topic the company

1705
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,160
entered into two statements

1706
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,640
of work with earth tech international

1707
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,839
also known as eti

1708
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,000
to prepare plans perform scientific

1709
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:48,079
analysis and advise the company on

1710
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,280
materials

1711
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:51,920
analysis and beamed energy propulsion

1712
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:52,319
launch

1713
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,640
systems eti's founder and president is

1714
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,839
company director

1715
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,799
harold e put off these projects total

1716
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,480
sixty thousand of which

1717
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,799
twelve thousand five hundred and thirty

1718
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,079
thousand has been paid

1719
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:07,280
during 2019 and 2018

1720
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,640
respectively in august 2018 the company

1721
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,880
entered into two statements of work with

1722
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,440
earth tech international to prepare

1723
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,599
plans perform scientific analysis

1724
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,680
and advise the company on materials

1725
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:22,079
analysis and beamed energy propulsion

1726
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,559
launch

1727
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:25,359
systems eti's founder and president is

1728
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:26,400
company director

1729
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:29,839
harold e putoff these projects total 60

1730
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:33,520
000 of which 12 530 000 has been paid in

1731
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,839
2019 and 2018

1732
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:38,640
respectively what are your thoughts on

1733
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:39,119
that

1734
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:42,400
uh those two topics okay a couple things

1735
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,040
with that

1736
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,839
first of all i guess i'll answer them in

1737
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:46,559
order

1738
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:49,200
that 53 million dollars isn't real money

1739
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:49,680
um

1740
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:53,119
it's essentially stocks so they value

1741
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,920
stocks

1742
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:56,160
and they've got a value essentially

1743
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,200
here's a lot

1744
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,839
of stocks worth 53 million dollars that

1745
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,119
we're going to try to sell so if they

1746
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:02,640
sell them all hopefully it'll be that

1747
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,280
much

1748
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,440
until they sell them all it looks as

1749
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:06,960
though it's it's a negative

1750
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,079
but it's not really it's i'm probably

1751
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:12,000
not being completely accurate in

1752
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,160
explaining that but i have talked to

1753
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,079
accountants who understand that better

1754
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:18,720
and it's very complicated and it just

1755
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:20,559
reminds me of why i didn't want to be an

1756
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,119
accountant

1757
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:23,839
when they explain the stuff to me so

1758
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,599
it's very complicated but it's not like

1759
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:27,280
what it appears to be as far as like

1760
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,079
they owe

1761
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,400
50 million or something like that okay

1762
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:32,400
um as far as earth tech goes

1763
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:35,440
earth tech is hal put off and dr

1764
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:38,000
eric davis essentially it was and those

1765
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,280
were two people

1766
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,240
who were consultants who uh you know

1767
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,440
we're working with

1768
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,520
to the stars so essentially they're

1769
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:47,520
paying hal and eric for their work

1770
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:48,240
through

1771
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,240
eti although eric davis is now working

1772
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:54,160
for the aerospace company so he's not

1773
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:56,160
even working for eti anymore

1774
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:59,119
and last i heard eti might be closing

1775
01:01:03,190 --> 01:00:59,680
shop i

1776
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,200
i don't know maybe hal is retiring

1777
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:04,880
but i think his son worked on it with

1778
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,880
him but you know that's a company that

1779
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:08,400
hal has been doing work through for

1780
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,359
years so that's essentially how that

1781
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:13,760
works as far as the viability of the

1782
01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:14,559
company

1783
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,599
that's the question and and it's an

1784
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,280
outstanding question who knows

1785
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:21,440
um like they said the only revenue

1786
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,680
generating section is the entertainment

1787
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,640
section

1788
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:27,599
um which tom's in charge of he's about

1789
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:27,920
to

1790
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,079
movie

1791
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,359
um it's something monsters uh little

1792
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,599
not little monsters little monsters of

1793
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:39,200
the movie we watched not long ago that

1794
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,240
was really funny

1795
01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:43,200
but um something monsters california

1796
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:44,480
monster something like that is this

1797
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:45,280
movie that

1798
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,839
you know tom delong directed and is

1799
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,640
going to be coming out soon

1800
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,559
there are other projects books there's a

1801
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:54,240
cartoon in the works um

1802
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:57,599
even unidentified was produced uh

1803
01:02:02,069 --> 01:02:00,720
partially by this so yeah so the

1804
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:02,079
entertainment part is the only one

1805
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:03,440
making money so

1806
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,880
which is kind of difficult i mean and

1807
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,880
as far as the research side there's kind

1808
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:10,880
of two parts to that there is

1809
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,480
the uh a viable aerospace company is

1810
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,520
what they want to be

1811
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:17,520
that's where they went keep talking

1812
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:19,280
about these technologies

1813
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:21,760
um and and i even criticized them a bit

1814
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:23,200
that you know when they tweet that we're

1815
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,640
working on this new technology

1816
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,760
everybody's like well

1817
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,440
i gave you money to work on ufos what

1818
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:29,520
about ufos um but

1819
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,559
what they're they're kind of um

1820
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,720
haven't really explained is the deal is

1821
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,319
they hope to make money

1822
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:38,799
off of these aerospace projects in order

1823
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:39,839
to fund

1824
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,440
research um and it kind of explains why

1825
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,520
people were kind of bummed from the

1826
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,640
beginning and it's like we're not

1827
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:48,000
getting much information we

1828
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,960
thought we were going to get all this

1829
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:50,640
research and investigation out of you

1830
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,359
guys

1831
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:53,200
what are you doing well what people

1832
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,480
didn't know is

1833
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:56,079
you know there's only a handful of

1834
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,520
people essentially

1835
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,760
you know elizondo and mellon and what

1836
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:01,280
are they doing they're not only shooting

1837
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:02,000
that

1838
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,839
the tv show for unidentified they're

1839
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:05,039
doing the things they showed that they

1840
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,839
were doing

1841
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,760
they're working on this game plan and

1842
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,119
that's what i

1843
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:11,119
wrote this story this is what these guys

1844
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,240
have been up to

1845
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:14,799
they've been up to briefing officials

1846
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:16,880
briefing politicians

1847
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:19,760
getting this up the ladder getting

1848
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,319
people

1849
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,160
uh you know government officials around

1850
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,559
the world up to date and up to speed

1851
01:03:28,789 --> 01:03:27,440
on this issue and making what has

1852
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:28,799
happened happened

1853
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,319
they were laser focused on this plan and

1854
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:34,240
we didn't know that the whole time we're

1855
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:35,680
wondering what's going on and we're

1856
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,200
writing stories and

1857
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,760
and you know they they held their cards

1858
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:41,520
close to their vests

1859
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:44,000
for a reason to accomplish what they

1860
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:45,119
accomplished and

1861
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:46,720
i think what they accomplished is pretty

1862
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:48,720
extraordinary just like my headline you

1863
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,680
know that these

1864
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,440
government insiders were able to get the

1865
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,200
senate to to

1866
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:56,160
start talking ufos yeah real quick uh

1867
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,760
let me jump in with a question are we

1868
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,440
going to see a season three from these

1869
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,789
uh i had heard it was kind of uh

1870
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,640
skeptical that perhaps there wouldn't be

1871
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:08,400
but then you know skinwalker was kind of

1872
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,760
the same

1873
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,440
but skinwalker has announced they're

1874
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:13,520
doing a third season

1875
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:16,319
um i think it's very possible uh we'll

1876
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,200
see

1877
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,960
did you did you follow the ratings at

1878
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,359
all because they started strong

1879
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:23,520
but it seemed like they really nose

1880
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,400
dived

1881
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:27,039
when the unexpected happened and the nba

1882
01:04:31,109 --> 01:04:28,559
and the nhl playoffs

1883
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,119
uh popped up in august and that seemed

1884
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,640
to take away a lot of the audience and

1885
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:34,640
they really dropped off after episode

1886
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,599
three

1887
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:37,760
the good thing is that it served its

1888
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:40,079
purpose it served as major purpose and

1889
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:41,839
its major purpose was to

1890
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:45,119
aid in that plan that i outlined in my

1891
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:46,960
article which was to

1892
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,599
put pressure media pressure from

1893
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:51,440
multiple different angles

1894
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,880
on the military to keep them you know

1895
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,880
to get this keep this topic front

1896
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:58,240
forward so they would get all this

1897
01:05:02,069 --> 01:04:58,880
attention

1898
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,079
to it and that in that manner it worked

1899
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:05,119
so um it kind of served the major

1900
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:05,920
purpose

1901
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:09,280
as far as that that plan goes um

1902
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,079
and the other difficulty with with in

1903
01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,839
reality when it comes to entertainment

1904
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:15,599
entertainment is entertainment

1905
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,760
typically the things that get the most

1906
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:19,359
attention are things like

1907
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:22,559
ancient aliens which is very

1908
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:25,839
speculative if not bordering on in some

1909
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:26,799
cases

1910
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,599
dare i say ridiculous sorry to some of

1911
01:05:34,789 --> 01:05:31,520
my buddies who are our regulars on that

1912
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,799
but uh whereas you know the real

1913
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,240
credible great stuff

1914
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:39,119
is is not you know doesn't get the

1915
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,839
viewership

1916
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,160
for example you talked about i i work a

1917
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,520
lot with national geographic

1918
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:45,760
i love national geographic they're like

1919
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:48,559
the last bastion of real science

1920
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:51,280
and real credible information regarding

1921
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,200
topics that they cover in their shows

1922
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,440
nobody else is really doing that other

1923
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,839
the rest is reality tv show stuff

1924
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:59,839
that is usually made up that's

1925
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,960
make-believe and

1926
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:02,799
especially in the last few years we had

1927
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:05,839
a panel at the ufo congress with um

1928
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:07,520
a couple other researchers who worked on

1929
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:09,039
television shows and we were all just it

1930
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,359
came

1931
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:11,839
in to to be just a complaint session

1932
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,640
about how

1933
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,319
we're complaining and the producers just

1934
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,160
want us to fake stuff and lie

1935
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,240
and and read their scripts they don't

1936
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,760
care about the reality of these

1937
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:21,839
situations they just want to entertain

1938
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:25,039
so it's really hard right now to get the

1939
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,000
attention

1940
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:28,799
to legitimate research on on television

1941
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,640
i'm glad you brought up ufo uh the

1942
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,079
international ufo congress

1943
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,839
because folks just wanted to let you

1944
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:36,240
know that uh the beautiful woman in the

1945
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,280
background that we see

1946
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:40,079
walking back and forth occasionally the

1947
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:40,720
owner

1948
01:06:44,309 --> 01:06:43,440
of the international ufo congress karen

1949
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:44,319
burrard

1950
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:47,359
who is a very beautiful kind caring

1951
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,240
person

1952
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,039
and has a lot of responsibility and that

1953
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:52,480
is to make sure that

1954
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:55,680
international ufo uh congress runs

1955
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:58,160
seamlessly which she does a fantastic

1956
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,799
job of

1957
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:00,559
and i think she needs to be given a lot

1958
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:01,839
of credit for that

1959
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:04,559
and so we thank her for that i wanted to

1960
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,480
go ahead and ask you a question from tom

1961
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:08,000
whitmore who's on the board of

1962
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,720
mufon he said i want to know that if

1963
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,000
they start deploying

1964
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:15,119
scout would the civilian data go to the

1965
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:16,799
pentagon

1966
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:19,920
well uh probably not and

1967
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,799
can we explain what scout is first real

1968
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:25,839
quick can we explain what scout is

1969
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:28,720
think it's essentially an app that would

1970
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,359
collect

1971
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,480
um ufo reports and um

1972
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:35,200
i'm not sure what perspective tom is

1973
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,799
bringing that question

1974
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,480
is he he may be trying to say well

1975
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:39,920
mufon's data doesn't go to the

1976
01:07:42,870 --> 01:07:40,720
government

1977
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,880
well they did work with bigelow they've

1978
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:44,319
demonstrated that they're willing to

1979
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,280
work with the government

1980
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:47,359
not that i say that's necessarily a

1981
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:48,559
problem but

1982
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:52,000
um really to the stars chris

1983
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:55,599
and lou have some insider buddies but

1984
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:59,119
the has made it very clear in my humble

1985
01:08:02,789 --> 01:07:59,760
opinion

1986
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:02,799
that they are not happy with elizondo

1987
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,839
that they they essentially make up what

1988
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,119
i i've written this

1989
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,920
article about how the dod keeps getting

1990
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,680
it wrong concerning ufos

1991
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,440
and there's a whole record of

1992
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,960
misinformation that they put out there

1993
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,400
where they've had to go back and say

1994
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,759
oops we were wrong

1995
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:20,080
but they keep continuing to put out this

1996
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:21,199
misinformation

1997
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,880
the last statement they put out about

1998
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,239
lou even though

1999
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:26,319
they have countered this they've said

2000
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,279
the opposite

2001
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,279
many times before is that he had nothing

2002
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:30,480
to do with atip

2003
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,679
which is just a ridiculous thing to say

2004
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:35,359
because we know from harry reid who

2005
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,719
created the program

2006
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,400
from the engineers who worked on the

2007
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:40,880
program everybody related the program

2008
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,000
says yeah of course

2009
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:44,480
lose the guy we talked to lou was a tip

2010
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:45,440
but for some

2011
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:48,400
ridiculous reason the only thing i can

2012
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,239
think of is retaliation

2013
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,640
they keep making up these stories so

2014
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,319
they're definitely not happy with him

2015
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,359
i don't know that uh they are interested

2016
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:58,799
in cooperating

2017
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:01,839
at that level so i i wouldn't think so

2018
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:03,520
thank you for your input on that dr

2019
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:06,159
roger stankovic national director of

2020
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:08,880
mutual of mufons australia and new

2021
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,000
zealand and also a neuroscientist

2022
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,040
at the university of sydney he had

2023
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:17,759
a statement and a question that he

2024
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,159
wanted to make to you for this program

2025
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,199
he said if these deeply seated saps

2026
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:25,920
do indeed exist and are funded by black

2027
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,040
budget money

2028
01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:29,920
presumably for the examination of

2029
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,759
crashed

2030
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:33,600
extraterrestrial craft why are we not

2031
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,000
turning

2032
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,400
our focus to engaging more senators to

2033
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:38,480
launch a formal investigation

2034
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:41,920
of the matter alejandro why are we not

2035
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,239
well

2036
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:44,400
that's a great point we should be

2037
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:45,279
engaging

2038
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:52,239
specifically right who to the stars and

2039
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,560
chris mullen is engaging specifically is

2040
01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:55,679
really important though

2041
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,280
because like the uh response was to

2042
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,400
walker um you know hey classified

2043
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,760
information there's only

2044
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,360
certain committees that are cleared for

2045
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:07,280
this information we're working with the

2046
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:08,719
armed services committee

2047
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,640
we're working with our the intelligence

2048
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:13,199
committee those are the appropriate

2049
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:17,120
people to work with so if you do

2050
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:20,239
want to contact more senators those are

2051
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,760
the people that you need to contact

2052
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,920
especially those on the senate

2053
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,199
intelligence committee

2054
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:27,360
of which kamala harris is one of them

2055
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:28,840
and she actually voted

2056
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:32,480
to request this uap report she was on

2057
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,360
board with that

2058
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,840
so those are the people that we really

2059
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:37,120
need to engage

2060
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:38,640
and what do we need to tell them we need

2061
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:41,040
to tell them that we're not satisfied

2062
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,239
with

2063
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,239
how the government's handled this one

2064
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,400
thing the media has not pointed out

2065
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,800
i wrote an article about how you know

2066
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,880
we've been gaslighted for decades on

2067
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:52,719
this topic and we have

2068
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:54,159
you know when we go to the government

2069
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,760
and say look i've got a document here

2070
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,199
that shows that you guys

2071
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,760
had this ufo incursion over a nuclear

2072
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:01,679
facility and you raised it all the way

2073
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,560
to the top

2074
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:04,560
level what happened with this oh we

2075
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,239
don't care about ufos

2076
01:11:10,790 --> 01:11:08,880
that's no big deal you know totally

2077
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,800
lying making it seem silly

2078
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:13,199
when we've got the receipts but ignoring

2079
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,159
it and that's been for

2080
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,440
part of my frustration and other

2081
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:17,120
people's frustrations that we've got the

2082
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,840
receipts

2083
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,880
but nobody cares well now they do and

2084
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:21,920
that's what we have to tell them we've

2085
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,719
got the receipts

2086
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,000
there are all these cases we want to

2087
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,000
know about these cases what happened in

2088
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,560
washington dc overnight in 1952 what

2089
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:29,840
happened in iran

2090
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:32,480
what happened uh over chicago o'hare in

2091
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,520
2008.

2092
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,440
you know these are sort of things that

2093
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,360
we need to all of these and they're

2094
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,280
called if you google like let's say

2095
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:41,440
keith basterfield or paul dean or even

2096
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,400
my website

2097
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:44,880
or or blackvul and you look for the

2098
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,679
oprep3 reports those are the reports

2099
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:50,480
that were high value high intelligence

2100
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:52,000
value meaning they're important

2101
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,440
and they're escalated to the top

2102
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:56,159
immediately we do have ufo reports that

2103
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,640
are

2104
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,480
that we need to say hey

2105
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:02,320
we want to know what happened to these

2106
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:03,520
now that they're admitting

2107
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:05,600
they did look into these things what did

2108
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,560
they find

2109
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:08,480
we've got to tell them we want we want

2110
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:09,840
answers and

2111
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,400
otherwise like i said they could say

2112
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,920
military wants to keep it classified

2113
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:15,360
we're staying classified

2114
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,080
from chase kletzke who actually knows of

2115
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,440
folks who are

2116
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,800
on the board of ttsa

2117
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:25,280
she's a forensic specialist and author

2118
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,080
she said

2119
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,640
alejandro has offered another real

2120
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,320
article from the inside

2121
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,320
i know for a fact that he is a trusted

2122
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:35,040
ttsa friend and trusted with content

2123
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,000
most do not see

2124
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,760
until the information is ready for the

2125
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:40,080
public he has an immense understanding

2126
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:40,719
of dc

2127
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,000
military apparatus and how it happens

2128
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:51,120
she put in quotes which put him out

2129
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,920
front

2130
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,159
this article should be read by everyone

2131
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:55,600
as alejandro

2132
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,640
demonstrates real and solid leads he is

2133
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:00,800
known for amazing work and his continued

2134
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:03,199
contributions and more valuable

2135
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,239
and is this is realized every year i

2136
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,640
never miss what he publishes

2137
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,040
by the way dr kevin knew physics

2138
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,880
professor at the university of albany

2139
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,760
new york

2140
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:16,080
and a former nasa research scientist

2141
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:17,360
wanted to make a comment

2142
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:21,199
for your interview today alejandro

2143
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:24,000
he also published a really fascinating

2144
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:25,520
paper on uap's

2145
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,719
that was published by the max planck

2146
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,679
institute and this work was uh presented

2147
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:33,920
at the 39th international workshop

2148
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:36,960
on bayesian interference

2149
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,239
inference and maximum entropy methods in

2150
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,880
science and engineering

2151
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,320
which was held at the max planck

2152
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:46,480
institute of course

2153
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,400
for plasma physics he states to you

2154
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:52,640
i wish that congress would commit to

2155
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:56,159
publicly involving scientists

2156
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,640
of course i'd like to know more about

2157
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,840
ufos

2158
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,679
they appear to be able to move through

2159
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,199
both air and water

2160
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,000
unimpeded is it possible for them to

2161
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:07,600
move through solids

2162
01:14:12,310 --> 01:14:10,480
has this ever been observed i'd like to

2163
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,320
know more about the optical effects

2164
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:14,159
surrounding these objects

2165
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,000
i'd like to see someone compile a

2166
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:17,760
catalog of emblems

2167
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:20,800
and writing that have been observed

2168
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,640
i'd like to know how many ufos are

2169
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,360
present on earth at any given time

2170
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:27,600
i have so many questions and i doubt

2171
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,920
that there are answers

2172
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:31,440
he made this statement to you do you

2173
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:35,040
have any thoughts on what he just stated

2174
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:37,360
first of all thank you so much to chase

2175
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,159
that was like

2176
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,800
incredible that's like the nicest

2177
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,800
paragraph anybody's written about me so

2178
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:44,640
that was that was really nice

2179
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:47,760
but as far as kevin kevin i've i've been

2180
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:48,880
interacting with for

2181
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,840
the last year or so and kevin brings up

2182
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:53,520
i think one of the really important

2183
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:54,320
points

2184
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,560
um in all of this as well which i think

2185
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:58,080
is really

2186
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,159
maybe the most important in my mind

2187
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,320
matter right now

2188
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:04,000
given that the senate is looking at all

2189
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,679
of this which is what are they going to

2190
01:15:08,229 --> 01:15:07,199
do with that information

2191
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,239
what are they going to do with the

2192
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,560
nimitz case uh cases

2193
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:13,520
where their true unidentifieds what kind

2194
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:15,199
of science and research is going to go

2195
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:18,960
on with those or is it going to be left

2196
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,320
to to just die on the vine and so i

2197
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:24,400
think those questions kevin asking are

2198
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,440
really important

2199
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,840
and kevin opened my eyes to something

2200
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,840
else recently in a recent interview

2201
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,320
which is that

2202
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:35,199
the navy saying that they take ufo

2203
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,000
seriously

2204
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:38,800
and have investigated them not only

2205
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:41,120
opened the door to justify

2206
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:43,679
interaction and questioning and and

2207
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,400
holding our

2208
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:46,239
politicians feet to the fire on this

2209
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:47,920
topic but he says

2210
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:51,360
it also justified scientists to now look

2211
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,239
at this this

2212
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:55,199
issue and he goes over it and at the

2213
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,880
international ufo congress he did an

2214
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,400
amazing talk on this

2215
01:16:01,430 --> 01:16:00,880
and he kind of outlined it in detail but

2216
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,440
that

2217
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,360
really you can't look into when

2218
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,880
scientists are looking for projects to

2219
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,080
look into you're looking for

2220
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:09,280
science to research if something

2221
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:11,760
is not in the realm of science it's not

2222
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:12,560
really

2223
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,520
researchable it's not real science and

2224
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,199
ufos was one of those things that was

2225
01:16:20,470 --> 01:16:18,320
kind of continents catch

2226
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,480
22. it wasn't science because there

2227
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,560
hadn't been a lot of science done

2228
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,199
but because of that it's it's trapped

2229
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:27,120
over here nobody can look at it or we'll

2230
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,320
look at it because

2231
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,080
it's not considered science but it has

2232
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:32,080
to get some science done on it in order

2233
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:34,159
to be considered science in the

2234
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:35,360
mainstream

2235
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,239
but the navy just saying we're taking

2236
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,920
this seriously and we're researching it

2237
01:16:43,350 --> 01:16:40,960
then justify

2238
01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:43,360
scientists to check their work to say

2239
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:45,040
well is there really something to this

2240
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:47,440
then this is a scientific question

2241
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,640
at this point and uh you know

2242
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,239
we're both part of the scientific

2243
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:54,320
coalition for uap research and

2244
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,480
one of the things i want to do with the

2245
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,840
scu is start to

2246
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,320
advocate and ask for this sort of

2247
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:01,679
science to be done

2248
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,239
because first of all it should be done

2249
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,920
it takes resources

2250
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:08,000
the science that he's done which is kind

2251
01:17:11,590 --> 01:17:09,679
of speculative

2252
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,600
looking at some of these questions that

2253
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,080
he asks just those questions alone

2254
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:16,400
i think are brilliant you know those are

2255
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:18,080
the things those are the directions we

2256
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:19,840
need to look at that's what science

2257
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:21,520
would look at and that's where we need

2258
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:22,080
to go

2259
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:24,480
so we need to foster more scientists

2260
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,679
getting involved

2261
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:28,159
but scientists don't usually work alone

2262
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,760
on these they're usually projects that

2263
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,440
are funded through universities or

2264
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:32,960
through government funding

2265
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:35,840
and so we also have to try to encourage

2266
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:36,719
people to do

2267
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,520
that and one of the things we need to

2268
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,640
know

2269
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:42,400
or need to request of that senate

2270
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:43,679
intelligence committee is

2271
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:46,320
what science is going to be done and can

2272
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:46,960
you

2273
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:53,679
is give information to scientists

2274
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,320
in the public arena that will

2275
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:58,239
transparently research

2276
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,560
and investigate you know the results

2277
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,600
that you all get

2278
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:03,360
we need to ask for that and try to

2279
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,480
demand that and that is certainly

2280
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:09,120
where we need to head because kevin

2281
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:09,840
deserves

2282
01:18:13,350 --> 01:18:12,480
answers to those questions and they need

2283
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,360
to provide

2284
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:15,920
answers to those questions and those are

2285
01:18:18,470 --> 01:18:16,480
that's

2286
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,480
really what we all should be focused on

2287
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,159
trying to get right now is

2288
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,840
get that sort of information into the

2289
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,280
hands of some of these scientists

2290
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,120
yeah i want to jump in here really quick

2291
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,560
and uh follow up on

2292
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,560
uh one thing that professor knuth

2293
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:30,719
brought up and that is he asked what at

2294
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,120
least in my opinion is the key question

2295
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,400
uh how often are these types of really

2296
01:18:39,830 --> 01:18:38,560
interesting really significant cases

2297
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:39,840
where you've got

2298
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,960
a a solid witness account uh

2299
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:45,280
perhaps uh backed up with some remote

2300
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,760
sensing data in the form of

2301
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,719
radar or flir video how often is this

2302
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:52,239
actually happening where

2303
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:55,199
at least our military is uh picking that

2304
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:56,159
sort of thing up

2305
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,159
uh you would have to think that it can't

2306
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,239
be happening that often

2307
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,480
but you know we're looking back you had

2308
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,719
mentioned that going back to the the 52

2309
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,480
dc case so you're talking about

2310
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:08,960
you know going back let's say even to 47

2311
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,840
you're talking about

2312
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,239
three quarters of a century now uh how

2313
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:14,239
often do these kind of things pop up for

2314
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,280
the military

2315
01:19:18,550 --> 01:19:17,280
it can't be certainly it's not on a

2316
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:18,560
daily basis uh

2317
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:20,960
is it weekly is it monthly is it a few

2318
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,709
yeah it's so and that would be so

2319
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,480
important who knows

2320
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,560
and uh yeah those are the type of

2321
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,320
answers that that we need to get at

2322
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,800
and at the same time you know let's say

2323
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,960
it is fairly frequent

2324
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,880
um you can see why they would be

2325
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:40,080
concerned about

2326
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:42,080
telling people that their uh our

2327
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:43,440
aerospace

2328
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:46,719
uh is being you know um um

2329
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:49,199
there are unknowns flying over us on a

2330
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:50,400
daily basis

2331
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:51,760
and there's nothing that they can do

2332
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,760
about it um

2333
01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:56,400
and i could understand why they would be

2334
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:58,159
hesitant to share that with the public

2335
01:20:01,350 --> 01:20:00,000
uh do you think it's possible that it is

2336
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,360
happening that often

2337
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,440
it's not yeah once in a while maybe once

2338
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:05,520
a month spread out all over the world

2339
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,600
different branches one hand doesn't know

2340
01:20:12,310 --> 01:20:09,440
what the other hand is doing that

2341
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:12,320
kind of explains the uh the the

2342
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,280
ambivalence

2343
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:16,080
on the part of the pentagon i think what

2344
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:16,960
you're explaining

2345
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:20,719
uh is more along the lines of what uh

2346
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:23,120
real deep insiders like john alexander

2347
01:20:27,270 --> 01:20:25,040
or chris mellon are kind of saying

2348
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:27,280
that things are so stove-piped there's

2349
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,960
so little cooperation

2350
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:31,440
chris mellon was actually part of that

2351
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:32,080
initiative

2352
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:34,880
after 9 11 to help to consolidate

2353
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,880
intelligence so they would work together

2354
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,960
but still on this matter it's like the

2355
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,639
old days where nobody's talking to each

2356
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:41,840
other working together

2357
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,239
which is kind of why the senate said hey

2358
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,080
guys we need a central location

2359
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,080
all of you are doing your own thing and

2360
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,440
here and there you need to work together

2361
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:51,120
and we need a central location

2362
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,560
which is what they've created in this

2363
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:54,320
uap task force

2364
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:57,199
but they might not even know so i don't

2365
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,600
know

2366
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,840
they could have been open to a surprise

2367
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,000
when they get all these reports and

2368
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,679
you know what you had when here you had

2369
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,120
one here you had one here

2370
01:21:08,470 --> 01:21:07,120
these are happening like every week guys

2371
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,480
you know right right right

2372
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:11,120
some pretty crazy revelations so it's so

2373
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,239
hard to know

2374
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,639
we have a couple comments uh from people

2375
01:21:18,950 --> 01:21:16,159
that you know very well

2376
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:18,960
uh steve bassett he said tell alejandro

2377
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:20,960
hello and that i admire his years of

2378
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,639
great research and journalism and then

2379
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:24,800
also we have a dear friend of yours

2380
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,639
and karen barrards who uh

2381
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:30,960
i think you you've actually spent a lot

2382
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:31,920
of time

2383
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:34,719
with uh phoenix mufon and she's the

2384
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:36,080
director of

2385
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,400
wright

2386
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:42,800
she wrote alejandro rojas has

2387
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:44,480
demonstrated clear understanding of the

2388
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:46,159
subject matter that he writes about or

2389
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:47,199
reports on

2390
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:49,199
he's considered by many in the ufo arena

2391
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,639
to be correct and concise

2392
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:53,040
he does his research his methods of

2393
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,840
networking

2394
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,760
have proven time and again that his

2395
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:57,360
resources his logic and his

2396
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,400
understanding

2397
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:01,440
of the key players proved to be spot on

2398
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,600
this field of ufology needs more players

2399
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:05,520
like alejandro rojas to keep us

2400
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,400
involved with the scientific method and

2401
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:10,000
then also just a comment

2402
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:12,800
from a friend of yours jeff krauss

2403
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:13,520
director of

2404
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:15,920
socal mufon so-called southern

2405
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:17,440
california mufon

2406
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:19,840
he said he asked us every time i

2407
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:20,639
interview you

2408
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:23,760
um alejandro the

2409
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:26,159
same question as last year where's my

2410
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,040
five bucks

2411
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,400
i know it was la he said i um

2412
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,320
he and i were talking so he said i know

2413
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,400
but last year it was five bucks

2414
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:36,480
shouldn't i charge some interest tell

2415
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,719
him i said hello and when i see him in

2416
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,719
person next time maybe he can just give

2417
01:22:45,030 --> 01:22:42,960
me a new t-shirt the last one appears to

2418
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:45,040
be defective as it no longer covers my

2419
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:46,880
belly he wanted to just wind up

2420
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:49,920
we're his five boxes um

2421
01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,360
there is a comment from russell

2422
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,760
asbill former forensic investigator of

2423
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:57,840
phoenix mufon for under a decade

2424
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:00,960
here are a few questions i'll try and

2425
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,520
keep them as short as possible

2426
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,120
he said in spite of the reporting

2427
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:06,960
requirements do you think a significant

2428
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,679
amount

2429
01:23:11,189 --> 01:23:10,239
of uap et encounters will remain

2430
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:11,199
suppressed

2431
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,280
have any policies been put in place to

2432
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:15,360
protect the careers of military pilots

2433
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:16,480
and crews that report

2434
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,080
an uh uap et incident

2435
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:22,639
due to ongoing media coverage uaps and

2436
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:23,360
ets

2437
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:25,040
are common knowledge with people

2438
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:26,800
throughout the world these days

2439
01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:28,639
why do you think governments continue to

2440
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:30,159
deny uap et

2441
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,320
incidents regardless of the number of

2442
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,760
credible sightings

2443
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:35,679
do you believe the new reporting

2444
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,840
requirements open the door to full

2445
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,080
disclosure by the u.s government

2446
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:42,239
do you think actual full disclosure will

2447
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,000
ever truly take place

2448
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,760
do you think the military knows more

2449
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:47,040
about the uap et

2450
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:48,639
incidents and capabilities than it

2451
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:50,639
discloses to the civilian leadership of

2452
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:51,600
this nation

2453
01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:54,159
he has quite a few questions here did

2454
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,040
you want to

2455
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,880
attack a few of them one of the last

2456
01:24:02,390 --> 01:23:58,639
ones he asked because i think he has

2457
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:02,400
you know like 20. on the topic of

2458
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,159
reporting and disclosure in spite of the

2459
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:06,159
phoenix lights appearing over a major

2460
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:07,199
u.s city

2461
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:10,239
no fighter jets were scrambled from new

2462
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:12,080
nearby luke air force base to

2463
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:13,360
investigate

2464
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:14,560
do you believe the government has

2465
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:16,080
detailed knowledge about the origin

2466
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:17,920
intent of the phoenix lights

2467
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,480
uh do you have any comment about

2468
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,159
anything that he asked there

2469
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,760
let's see i'll try to go through do i

2470
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,280
think they know what the phoenix lights

2471
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:26,639
were probably not

2472
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:29,199
um you know caught off guard like you

2473
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:29,840
said

2474
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,199
some people say there were jets

2475
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,199
scrambled um

2476
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:35,520
i don't know i haven't seen anything

2477
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:36,560
really hard

2478
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,280
in concrete regarding that um so

2479
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:43,760
but it doesn't seem like you know it

2480
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,880
seems like they were caught off guard

2481
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,719
they didn't know what was going on

2482
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:49,120
or maybe didn't even investigate it even

2483
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,560
in 1952

2484
01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,120
when they flew over washington dc

2485
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,199
although there was an investigation done

2486
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,760
by edward rupelt and project blue book

2487
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:00,000
they didn't really care they just were

2488
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:01,520
more concerned about the public

2489
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,639
and their public perception um on that

2490
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,320
one so who knows

2491
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,360
uh et's et certainly is not a given

2492
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:12,159
at all like completely 100 percent

2493
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:13,280
disagree with that

2494
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,159
um that i don't think we have physical

2495
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,600
evidence i don't think you could prove

2496
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:19,040
your case

2497
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:21,440
we do have anecdotal information

2498
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:23,120
anecdata

2499
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,480
which kevin says his friend calls it

2500
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:29,840
uh but that data is is not um usable

2501
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,400
as far as scientific it's usable in a

2502
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,320
way in order to identify a potential

2503
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,480
phenomena which of course has been done

2504
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,480
but then the investigation has to happen

2505
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:40,080
to understand the nature of the

2506
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:41,120
phenomena which

2507
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,840
we really haven't even gotten to i feel

2508
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:45,120
we've gotten some research and

2509
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:46,800
collection of stories which i think is

2510
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:47,760
helpful

2511
01:25:52,950 --> 01:25:50,960
but it's really um difficult to

2512
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,960
you know you can't say i don't feel you

2513
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:55,679
we're definitive on that nor

2514
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:57,920
um nor do i have any indication that

2515
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:58,880
government people are

2516
01:26:02,229 --> 01:26:01,760
definitive on that ttsa isn't even going

2517
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,239
that

2518
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:05,600
far but um

2519
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,520
uh it's something worth looking into but

2520
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:10,960
what they know or what they don't know

2521
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:12,960
is difficult to say i think that they

2522
01:26:17,110 --> 01:26:13,920
definitely

2523
01:26:17,830 --> 01:26:17,120
know more than the public they

2524
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:17,840
definitely

2525
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:20,880
will not and i would argue cannot share

2526
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,880
everything that they do know for

2527
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:24,800
instance let's say

2528
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,239
the unsolved cases in a way it would be

2529
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,440
irresponsible and this is the hard part

2530
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:33,920
i want them to share information with

2531
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:35,040
scientists but

2532
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:38,320
how do you come up with a mechanism for

2533
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:38,880
that

2534
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,960
is classified and should remain

2535
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:44,000
classified

2536
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,040
if you have an open case you're not sure

2537
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,280
whose technology

2538
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,320
this case you know who's technology who

2539
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,719
belong who it belongs to

2540
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:57,280
should you reveal that information when

2541
01:27:04,950 --> 01:26:58,159
it could be

2542
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,960
um information or data that is

2543
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:07,600
belongs to an enemy or something like

2544
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:08,480
that you know

2545
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,960
if you don't know maybe you really need

2546
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,120
to hold on to it but maybe there are

2547
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,960
certain circumstances where the cases

2548
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:16,320
are so old

2549
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:19,920
or the data that they've gotten is so

2550
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,080
uh anomalous that they can't really make

2551
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:23,679
a heads or tail of it so that would be

2552
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,120
information to share that's why this

2553
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:27,199
discussion needs to start to happen is

2554
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,920
how and what can be released because i

2555
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,360
think they need to

2556
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:33,280
release something and i don't think they

2557
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:35,120
feel it incumbent upon themselves to

2558
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:38,480
release anything but because of that

2559
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,120
there will

2560
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:41,679
be certain things that will stay under

2561
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:42,560
wraps

2562
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:45,600
so we will i don't think we'll know

2563
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,480
everything but

2564
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:49,440
hopefully we have the door open to start

2565
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,800
to learn more

2566
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:52,719
um and i think right now is that

2567
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:53,920
critical moment

2568
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,719
where we've got to start to let our

2569
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:58,320
politicians know we've got to let the

2570
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,199
government know

2571
01:28:02,950 --> 01:28:01,679
what we want and what we expect if we

2572
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,960
don't do that

2573
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,800
then like i keep saying they could just

2574
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,000
say military

2575
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,679
keep it classified you got it under

2576
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,679
control keep on keeping on

2577
01:28:13,110 --> 01:28:11,120
and then we're kind of cut out of the

2578
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:13,120
loop that would be the worst case

2579
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:14,400
scenario

2580
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,239
they work with

2581
01:28:24,950 --> 01:28:22,400
i would love for some organization if

2582
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:24,960
it's not the scu which is kind of a

2583
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:28,000
burgeoning group of of people

2584
01:28:34,229 --> 01:28:31,520
in the public uh some other organization

2585
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:34,239
i don't think seti's the right one but i

2586
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:35,280
think that uh

2587
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,840
maybe but some other project where

2588
01:28:39,750 --> 01:28:39,120
there's a group of scientists that they

2589
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,760
allow

2590
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:42,080
that in a transparent way which

2591
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,600
scientists often want

2592
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,760
they want to be transparent because

2593
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,280
especially something like this you want

2594
01:28:53,350 --> 01:28:49,360
your work checked

2595
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:53,360
that they are able to get information

2596
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,199
to a public-facing scientific

2597
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,000
organization allow that organization to

2598
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,840
do some research

2599
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:01,679
i would love it if kevin knew was in

2600
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:03,199
charge of this group or part of the

2601
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,760
group

2602
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:06,000
so kevin can ask those questions that he

2603
01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:07,920
has and get those answers

2604
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:10,880
which enlighten us all uh on you know

2605
01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:12,400
starting to understand the nature of

2606
01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:13,360
some of this

2607
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:17,040
um and pursue the fringe

2608
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,560
potentials um you know the idea behind

2609
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:22,239
science and and what's beautiful about

2610
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:23,520
science is you run

2611
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:26,159
you're trying to pre-prove the null

2612
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:27,360
hypothesis

2613
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,960
so what a kevin knuth and the others are

2614
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:30,400
going to do is try to prove

2615
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:32,880
these are not anomalous if they are

2616
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,199
successful in that we get some answers

2617
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:37,600
and maybe we learned some things about

2618
01:29:40,950 --> 01:29:38,719
natural phenomena

2619
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:40,960
sprites and things that we didn't know

2620
01:29:45,510 --> 01:29:43,199
but then there's also the potential that

2621
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,520
they don't and they can't prove the null

2622
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,760
hypothesis which then proves that

2623
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:49,520
something anomalous there's some sort of

2624
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:51,600
intelligence interacting with us that

2625
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:52,000
that

2626
01:29:55,270 --> 01:29:53,360
we don't understand and they can

2627
01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:55,280
scientifically say this

2628
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:58,320
is you know our scientific stance on

2629
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:59,520
what's going on

2630
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,840
that changes the conversation so greatly

2631
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:02,800
and it turns

2632
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:06,239
you know um the whole entire

2633
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:09,120
world it acknowledges that there are

2634
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:10,560
these mysteries out there

2635
01:30:13,830 --> 01:30:13,440
um and who knows maybe we can discover

2636
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:13,840
that

2637
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:17,520
somebody out there is trying to

2638
01:30:20,149 --> 01:30:18,159
communicate

2639
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:20,159
with us in manners that we don't

2640
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:21,520
understand that the scientists can

2641
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:22,239
figure out

2642
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:25,199
i mean the potentials are extraordinary

2643
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:26,560
a couple questions left

2644
01:30:30,550 --> 01:30:29,120
and uh also in uh before the end of the

2645
01:30:33,510 --> 01:30:30,560
show wanted to

2646
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,520
include a little bit of interesting and

2647
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:35,760
fun information about the wonderful ufo

2648
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,719
that's hovering

2649
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,480
behind you in the background because i

2650
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,800
myself would love to purchase one but

2651
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:42,719
anyway let me go ahead and ask these

2652
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:45,760
two questions from uh two co-hosts who

2653
01:30:50,229 --> 01:30:46,400
actually

2654
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,239
run a great podcast called wild and west

2655
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:52,719
virginia ufo paranormal talk show

2656
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,000
and uh host ron lanham asked regarding

2657
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,080
the nuclear incursions

2658
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,480
overflight of bases an alleged

2659
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,400
initiation of a launch state

2660
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:04,960
with one case in russia at least do you

2661
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:07,199
think we can honestly say this phenomena

2662
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:09,280
represents no actual threat to global

2663
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:09,920
security

2664
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:12,000
did you want me to read that again i

2665
01:31:16,229 --> 01:31:13,199
can't if not

2666
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:16,239
okay um

2667
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,440
it's hard to say uh the problem is is

2668
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:21,600
i you can never assume a motivation

2669
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,639
unless you have

2670
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,960
you know definitive evidence i think

2671
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,480
that a lot of people would go there

2672
01:31:30,310 --> 01:31:29,040
interestingly the government of chile

2673
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,320
has determined that

2674
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:31,920
they're like the only government who

2675
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:34,719
actually had a meeting you know convened

2676
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:37,440
a group of high-level officials in their

2677
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,199
government to sit down and say

2678
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,120
hey what's the deal behind all this

2679
01:31:45,750 --> 01:31:43,440
stuff and when they sat at the table

2680
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:45,760
everybody sat with the idea with the

2681
01:31:49,590 --> 01:31:47,920
knowledge that this is a real phenomena

2682
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:49,600
and with a belief that they're being

2683
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:51,440
engaged by some sort of intelligence

2684
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:52,560
from

2685
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:55,520
elsewhere maybe the future you know just

2686
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:56,560
from elsewhere

2687
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:58,639
and they determined that it doesn't pose

2688
01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:00,400
a threat the biggest threat is that

2689
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:02,159
they're distracting our pilots when they

2690
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:03,120
fly by

2691
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,880
um and they felt maybe we need to

2692
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,400
educate our pilots just

2693
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:08,480
don't worry when one of these things fly

2694
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:10,560
by so far they have been benign they

2695
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:12,000
haven't hurt anybody

2696
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:15,440
um so uh but otherwise it's it's just

2697
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:17,120
really difficult to say i think uh

2698
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,159
elizondo

2699
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:20,239
or i can't remember who uses this

2700
01:32:25,030 --> 01:32:22,560
analogy elizondo uses one but

2701
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:25,040
so does ben hansen but the idea was okay

2702
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,480
you wake up in the morning

2703
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,400
and there's footsteps coming from

2704
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:30,000
outside to your fridge and then back

2705
01:32:33,350 --> 01:32:31,120
outside

2706
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:33,360
now it could have been a friendly person

2707
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:34,560
who just came in and

2708
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:37,440
got a soda and left but you're gonna be

2709
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:38,400
extremely

2710
01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,520
frightened you're gonna feel that you

2711
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,600
were in danger because a stranger came

2712
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,120
into your homes maybe your kids are

2713
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:47,280
asleep upstairs at that time

2714
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,440
so those are the reasons that we have to

2715
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,360
assume uh at least that

2716
01:32:54,629 --> 01:32:53,040
that the military and defense are going

2717
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:54,639
to assume that this is

2718
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:56,719
a threat until they can prove otherwise

2719
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:58,480
and you know to the stars gets a lot of

2720
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,239
flack where oh they're they're making it

2721
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,560
seem evil and bad and this is a threat

2722
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:03,920
well that's the perspective they're

2723
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:06,239
taking well that's a great analogy

2724
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,080
i i've actually used that analogy

2725
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:09,920
because if if you think about it's great

2726
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:11,679
metaphor because our skies

2727
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:14,080
are our home they're part of our home i

2728
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,440
know you know this i'm just

2729
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:17,600
telling our listeners you know it's a

2730
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:18,639
really

2731
01:33:23,030 --> 01:33:20,639
a powerful analogy because if somebody

2732
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,040
just sort of strides through your house

2733
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:25,120
and you're sitting there on your couch

2734
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:26,880
watching tv

2735
01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:29,280
you don't know if that's a friend or foe

2736
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:31,280
and if it's not a friend

2737
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:33,600
um and you don't know them you still

2738
01:33:35,350 --> 01:33:34,639
don't know if they're going to be

2739
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:35,360
friendly

2740
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:38,560
so naturally go ahead most states

2741
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,239
legally you can shoot first and ask

2742
01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:42,080
questions later in that situation

2743
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:44,000
yes you're absolutely right so anyway um

2744
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:46,080
the other question by the co-host of

2745
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:46,880
wild

2746
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:58,070
hypothetically why do you think the

2747
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:00,000
powers

2748
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,760
are courses propagate the uap topic over

2749
01:34:08,229 --> 01:34:05,440
and over for decades

2750
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:08,239
until their hand was forced would it not

2751
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:09,040
have been

2752
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:12,320
made for better optics going public

2753
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:15,600
sooner i don't know in some ways i feel

2754
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:16,000
that

2755
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:20,800
navy's kind of done the navy did get in

2756
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,280
front

2757
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:23,840
of the whole situation and they uh which

2758
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:24,719
is awesome

2759
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:27,360
i mean uh the first time i interviewed

2760
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:28,320
kevin day

2761
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:30,960
at the international ufo congress he was

2762
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:33,040
emotional about it he was so proud of

2763
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,080
the navy

2764
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,239
for having done this and he felt you

2765
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:37,760
know like they really

2766
01:34:41,669 --> 01:34:40,239
backed him and the other witnesses and

2767
01:34:42,790 --> 01:34:41,679
and he appreciated that and i think

2768
01:34:45,109 --> 01:34:42,800
everybody does

2769
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:45,119
um it's kind of funny because the navy

2770
01:34:47,910 --> 01:34:46,080
has also been

2771
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:47,920
the most secretive over the last few

2772
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,239
decades they've shared practically

2773
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,800
nothing regarding their uap research

2774
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:54,000
over the last few years even though

2775
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:55,280
we've gotten a lot from

2776
01:34:59,109 --> 01:34:57,040
a lot of different other agencies but

2777
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,119
they they were in front of this so

2778
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,199
it did help them i think in their public

2779
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:03,040
relations to a degree

2780
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:05,280
now it seems like they're a little more

2781
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,400
hesitant about it

2782
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:09,040
in that they're calling elizondo into

2783
01:35:12,070 --> 01:35:10,400
question and saying

2784
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:12,080
all of this is classified and it's

2785
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:14,080
remaining classified so

2786
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,760
they're they're not kind of following up

2787
01:35:20,709 --> 01:35:18,080
with more openness unfortunately

2788
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:20,719
but maybe um that might have been a good

2789
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:21,760
tactic but it's

2790
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:24,080
you know it is a really difficult topic

2791
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,679
i mean it's really difficult if you were

2792
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,199
working for the air force

2793
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,040
you were the pr guy or something would

2794
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:31,760
you want to reveal that you don't know

2795
01:35:35,830 --> 01:35:34,239
i'm kind of a there's there's stuff i

2796
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,840
don't know so i may feel differently if

2797
01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:37,199
i was in that position

2798
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:38,960
but i'm certainly someone who likes to

2799
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,560
share and would try to figure out

2800
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:42,320
some way to share and hopefully that's

2801
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:44,000
the stage we're moving into

2802
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,280
where they're gonna have to figure out

2803
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:47,119
some way to share more information

2804
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,480
with all of us but um

2805
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,159
but i can't understand it it's a really

2806
01:35:56,470 --> 01:35:54,159
tough topic um especially with

2807
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:56,480
incursions over nuclear sites

2808
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:58,400
i mean to think that our nukes might not

2809
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:00,000
be safe that's

2810
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:02,239
a good point and i know that is a an

2811
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:03,840
entire talk show which frank and i have

2812
01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:04,719
had before

2813
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:07,040
talking about the topic on on on

2814
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,320
multiple talk shows

2815
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,480
wanted to bring up something interesting

2816
01:36:14,550 --> 01:36:12,480
very fast before we end the show

2817
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:14,560
and that is a fascinating document that

2818
01:36:19,590 --> 01:36:15,760
i found in the cia

2819
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:19,600
archives uh about uh witnesses of

2820
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:22,840
ufo uh craft in the sky

2821
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:26,239
um i think it was during the 50s

2822
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:29,840
and they were actually interrogated

2823
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:32,639
uh afterwards about those sightings and

2824
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:33,199
it was

2825
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,320
uh kehoe major kehoe who

2826
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,719
was uh persisting in his effort to find

2827
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:40,480
out if a cia

2828
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,639
agent um had interrogated any of these

2829
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,800
folks regarding unidentified flying

2830
01:36:51,430 --> 01:36:47,760
objects

2831
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:51,440
um and it says that yeah this was in

2832
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:53,119
march 1953

2833
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:56,400
and it says here that when kehoe

2834
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:57,840
inquired about it

2835
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:00,960
that the u.s air force does not have any

2836
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:01,920
kind of

2837
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:04,880
security involved regarding the

2838
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:07,119
harassment of ufo witnesses

2839
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:08,880
so i just wanted to bring that up to you

2840
01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:10,400
i thought that was a really fascinating

2841
01:37:13,830 --> 01:37:11,119
document

2842
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,840
you were talking about uh how the u.s

2843
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:14,960
navy

2844
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:18,080
had not uh that that they've been very

2845
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:20,000
quiet about it and it just reminded me

2846
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:21,119
of that document

2847
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:24,560
um i guess because they've been quiet

2848
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,840
but according to some folks around the

2849
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,119
world they feel that they've been

2850
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:30,960
interrogated by the u.s government

2851
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,040
various factions of the u.s government

2852
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:34,960
who accorded according to them were not

2853
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:36,960
quiet they actually were interrogated

2854
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:38,880
for hours about ufo

2855
01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:40,400
sightings that they felt that they may

2856
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:42,719
have had and they regret re reporting

2857
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:45,040
uh moving along one last question from

2858
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:45,840
one of our

2859
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,320
uh listeners robert farmer uh he asked

2860
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:52,800
my question would be simple why don't

2861
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:12,709
um well my name is alejandro

2862
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:14,629
why don't you just spit it out louise oh

2863
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,239
my but that's what he wrote yeah that's

2864
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:18,000
what he wrote that's what he wrote yeah

2865
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:20,480
i i think it was just sort of a question

2866
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:22,480
for alexander and i guess he's asking

2867
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:22,960
you

2868
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:30,960
his question

2869
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:33,840
is for luis and he's asking you that

2870
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,639
regarding

2871
01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:36,320
i think you get the the gist of his

2872
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:37,920
question right yeah and i think i

2873
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,679
touched upon it earlier and i

2874
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:42,560
i personally feel it's totally legit i

2875
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:43,679
feel that

2876
01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:48,239
if uh lou felt he could share he would

2877
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:51,520
but you know he's a very loyal person

2878
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,719
if you get to know him uh he is

2879
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:57,520
he's he's concerned with other people

2880
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,000
and his

2881
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:59,840
colleagues and he doesn't want to out

2882
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:01,679
his colleagues he doesn't want to share

2883
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:02,880
anything that they wouldn't be

2884
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,960
comfortable with him sharing he's a

2885
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,920
patriot

2886
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:07,920
he worked in the government for many

2887
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,040
years

2888
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:12,080
working in counterterrorism he uh

2889
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:15,040
worked you know uh he he still he didn't

2890
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,480
leave because he didn't believe in the

2891
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,400
country or his job or

2892
01:39:22,070 --> 01:39:20,639
or he had problems with any of his

2893
01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:22,080
associates it's because

2894
01:39:25,430 --> 01:39:23,679
he wanted to bring more attention to

2895
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:25,440
this topic which he did

2896
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,639
and by being careful about what they say

2897
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,920
and what they reveal

2898
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,159
which has allowed them to accomplish

2899
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:33,760
what they've accomplished which is

2900
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:36,719
very substantial i think i think we

2901
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,480
personally i think it's amazing what

2902
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:40,480
they accomplished they accomplished more

2903
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,760
in three years than you know the ufo

2904
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,520
research has been able to do in in

2905
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,440
decades um

2906
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:49,360
now i would also argue though that what

2907
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:50,480
they did was kind of

2908
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,480
stand on the shoulders of giants type of

2909
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:54,080
stuff and they certainly did

2910
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,760
i mean the big little group and

2911
01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,440
everything has been working on this

2912
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,280
how put off has been working on this

2913
01:40:04,709 --> 01:40:01,199
sort of stuff for decades

2914
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:04,719
so um i think he's sharing what he can

2915
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:07,920
and i personally uh feel it's important

2916
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:08,400
that he

2917
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,679
discretion because

2918
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,520
if he's able to keep his buddies on the

2919
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:15,440
inside he's going to have more influence

2920
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,560
with them as well

2921
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,360
and he's hoping and he believes that at

2922
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:21,199
some point he will be able to influence

2923
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:22,480
these people to reveal

2924
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,880
uh information on their own which would

2925
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:26,560
be the best case scenario

2926
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:29,679
so i think he's working on this in a

2927
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:30,400
manner that

2928
01:40:35,669 --> 01:40:33,840
is that we don't see but it

2929
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:35,679
will hopefully be fruitful i'm sure it

2930
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,840
will be uh and fruitful in a manner

2931
01:40:41,189 --> 01:40:39,280
that's more appropriate

2932
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,199
right yeah i've got uh one final

2933
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,280
question uh before we wrap up

2934
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,119
uh the years guys been a very

2935
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:47,600
interesting 2020.

2936
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,600
the the news has kind of come in little

2937
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:53,840
floods and then slow periods i think

2938
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,840
we're kind of in a slow period now

2939
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,440
uh what are you looking for in terms of

2940
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,080
2021

2941
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:03,360
um me i'm kind of looking for

2942
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:05,199
you know one of the things that hasn't

2943
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,800
happened is the media picking up this

2944
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,400
story in the manner that they should

2945
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,719
the story that i wrote the media should

2946
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:12,239
be writing about this story these are

2947
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:13,600
the pertinent

2948
01:41:19,270 --> 01:41:17,280
stories pertinent incredible stories

2949
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:19,280
related to all of this that you know

2950
01:41:22,149 --> 01:41:20,800
they need to examine a little more

2951
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,159
closely i don't think that

2952
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:24,880
you know tucker carlson is being that

2953
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:25,360
really

2954
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:28,480
intellectual about the topic um i don't

2955
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,280
think

2956
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:30,880
in fairness he doesn't have the time

2957
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:32,480
though tv is just

2958
01:41:36,310 --> 01:41:34,320
that's the nature i just i would not

2959
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,320
necessarily agree with that because i

2960
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:38,560
they can definitely and anybody in tv

2961
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:40,320
can delve deeper into these topics

2962
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:41,520
they're being surfaced

2963
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:44,639
not to that i'm saying i'm everybody's

2964
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:45,920
doing that in the media

2965
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:48,320
at least he's talking about it but it's

2966
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:49,920
still i guess my point is still

2967
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:53,360
very surface um they really and it's not

2968
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,639
difficult to

2969
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,719
ask the harder questions and these are

2970
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:58,560
people who are talking about washington

2971
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,880
they're talking about the hill every day

2972
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:03,119
they understand how it operates they

2973
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,360
know the more pertinent questions how

2974
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:07,440
did this happen how did he find out this

2975
01:42:11,109 --> 01:42:08,880
what did he think of that

2976
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:11,119
mattis nobody's even bringing up mattis

2977
01:42:14,390 --> 01:42:12,000
that is the

2978
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:14,400
secretary of defense that luisa lozando

2979
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,840
was working for who he is trying to get

2980
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:17,280
the information to

2981
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,600
nobody's even asked him anything um you

2982
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:21,040
know brian bender is one of the few

2983
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,239
there's a few others

2984
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,159
uh that are doing of course leslie kane

2985
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:26,000
ralph blumenthal

2986
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,040
tyler rogoway mj banayas and and

2987
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,760
tim um tim mcmillan are getting some

2988
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:33,199
mainstream articles out there in

2989
01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:34,480
mainstream media

2990
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,679
but um you know the big guy

2991
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:39,199
the big stories aren't getting out there

2992
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:42,000
so what i hope to do at the very least

2993
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:44,480
is start to bring out some more of these

2994
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:45,920
stories so i've been in view

2995
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:47,280
interviewing some of these key people

2996
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,800
and now i'm trying to coalesce some of

2997
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,320
these stories so

2998
01:42:53,510 --> 01:42:52,159
the idea of the science how do we get

2999
01:42:56,229 --> 01:42:53,520
science involved

3000
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:56,239
um these secret projects are there off

3001
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:56,719
the books

3002
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,000
are there um secret projects that

3003
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:02,320
do not get oversight how big of a deal

3004
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,119
is that

3005
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,000
if that's really going on um are there

3006
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:07,520
examples of this which i don't think

3007
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,239
there are

3008
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:11,520
examples of rogue

3009
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,440
players inside the cia um

3010
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,760
kind of maybe you can even say hoover

3011
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:19,280
was kind of like that hoover definitely

3012
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,320
had his own

3013
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,560
secret projects are there these kind of

3014
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:24,080
things going on where

3015
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:25,600
different agencies have their own

3016
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:27,280
projects that they've they're hiding

3017
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,320
from everyone else

3018
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:30,400
um you know those are some of the

3019
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,920
questions related to all of this that

3020
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,440
are the big questions

3021
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:35,760
that need to be examined and hopefully

3022
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:36,480
i'll

3023
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:38,000
try to write some stories on that yeah

3024
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:39,679
you do it

3025
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:41,360
they're not doing it is giving you the

3026
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:43,119
opportunity to do it so don't complain

3027
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,239
too much

3028
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:46,080
it does but you know like this article

3029
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:48,000
which i'm really proud of it took a long

3030
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:49,520
time to get all that information

3031
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,159
together

3032
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:53,360
um so a great article thank you

3033
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,280
uh before we wrap up i wanted to go and

3034
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,280
mention to our listeners a few

3035
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:59,760
uh movies that deeply affected or

3036
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:00,639
influenced

3037
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,000
uh alejandra rojas and that is uh

3038
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:06,800
i have the list here it's it's my

3039
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:07,760
basically

3040
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:09,920
it matches my list i know it probably

3041
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:11,760
matches quite a few of our listeners

3042
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:13,840
lists regarding favorite movies

3043
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:16,480
close encounters 2001 star trek star

3044
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,920
wars dune

3045
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:20,320
and those were a few that affected you

3046
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:21,520
as a kid

3047
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:26,480
came out and what's kind of cool

3048
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:29,920
is douglas trumbull who uh is the site

3049
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,960
the special effects guru behind close

3050
01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,719
encounters 2001

3051
01:44:38,229 --> 01:44:36,560
blade runner some of my favorite movies

3052
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,239
and some of my favorite movies that

3053
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:40,560
inspired my interest in this topic

3054
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,639
and it was wonderful to learn you know

3055
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,199
15 years ago or so or 10 years ago

3056
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:47,360
what that he was really into this topic

3057
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:49,520
and my good betty mark day antonio

3058
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,280
works with him on almost on a on a

3059
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,719
regular basis

3060
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:55,040
so that's really exciting that he's so

3061
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:56,400
into this topic in fact

3062
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,520
that might have been my favorite

3063
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,760
interview ever when we had at the ufo

3064
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,280
congress and i got to interview him

3065
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:04,480
a few years ago yeah uh marked antonio

3066
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:06,400
we have the pleasure of interviewing him

3067
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:08,719
off and on he's a wonderful person

3068
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,199
and uh really highly recommend folks

3069
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:12,960
check out his podcast he

3070
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:15,679
he does an astronomy related podcast and

3071
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,040
he's also opening up

3072
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,199
an observatory in arizona which i did

3073
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:21,119
just speak to him recently on

3074
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,639
but anyway i wanted to go ahead and

3075
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:24,000
thank you very much for having been on

3076
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,360
our show and before we go

3077
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i wanted to ask where our listeners can

3078
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,400
get that wonderful ufo that you have

3079
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:32,000
hovering behind you in the background

3080
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,920
where do they purchase that

3081
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:36,080
yeah the other great thing that karen

3082
01:45:40,790 --> 01:45:37,440
does uh is she

3083
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:40,800
is able to procure some really cool ufo

3084
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,360
stuff so if you go to ufocongress.com

3085
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,440
click on the store you'll be able to see

3086
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:46,880
all kinds of cool stuff

3087
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:49,760
including this lamp with the ufo on it

3088
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:51,360
which is so popular and it's funny

3089
01:45:54,229 --> 01:45:51,840
because

3090
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:54,239
i was doing one of these videos and it

3091
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:55,920
was in the background

3092
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:58,239
and uh so then i was doing a video from

3093
01:46:02,390 --> 01:45:59,840
somewhere else and whenever i

3094
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:02,400
do a video interview or something and

3095
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:03,760
it's not in the background

3096
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:05,600
i get all kinds of people asking where's

3097
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,639
ufo where's the ufo so now i try to keep

3098
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:10,320
one in the background when i do these

3099
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:12,000
because people love it so much

3100
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:14,719
it's pretty cool yeah we do love it i

3101
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,239
recommend to our listeners to please

3102
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:18,480
check out openminds.tv

3103
01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,400
and also alejandro t rojas.com

3104
01:46:25,990 --> 01:46:24,400
where he has the rojas report and we

3105
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:26,000
thank you very much for having been on

3106
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:27,440
our show we look forward to having the

3107
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,719
privilege and opportunity of

3108
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:30,800
interviewing you again alejandro

3109
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:34,080
sure appreciate it thanks so much

3110
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:35,600
thank you and and you know these

3111
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,840
interviews where i created these stories

3112
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:39,920
you can find them in the rojas report so

3113
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,880
go to youtube and

3114
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:42,320
check those out you can watch me

3115
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:43,920
interviewing them so

3116
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:46,320
fabulous thank you all right everybody

3117
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:47,840
let's uh let's wrap it up it's getting

3118
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:50,239
late here in the east and i have got to

3119
01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:51,360
go to bed

3120
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,440
so we'll be back this coming weekend

3121
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:55,280
with another fabulous show